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  1. Sold everything to sail the world...boat sunk on day 2

    Hmm, so it's been marked but not with an international standard mark? Can you clarify what will have been used, please? Might be useful to know someday.... Do you know if there's any particular reason why the standard mark isn't used? Thanks, W.
  2. British Dinghies sold in the USA & the sinking $

    Different boats. The weight ranges don't overlap much, most kids that are light enough to be competitive in a Topper will struggle to right a turtled Laser in any breeze and many will struggle with the more powerful rig. Topper bridges the gap between Oppy and 4.7... not everyone needs that bridge, especially if they mostly get warm, light weather... I'm not very keen on Toppers... but they have a niche. Cheers, W.
  3. Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

    They look like St Ayles skiffs... those are mostly found around the Scottish coast, though... Must be any number of local versions, though- traditional wooden hull, four sweeps, cox. Pretty seaworthy. There's a social racing scene based around them. Currently growing. Cheers, W.
  4. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Well, Olympic sailing has generally been fleet racing and the experiment with match racing didn't set the world alight... If there was a significant sector of the sport where women tended to congregate then it would probably be a strong contender for an event... My understanding of the current agenda is that the goal is to eliminate the gender imbalance within the current framework. Preferably in such a way as to make the sport overall more accessible to less affluent nations. Sailing sticks out as particularly expensive to host, along with the equestrian events. So, the absence of a class ("event" in Olympic terms) where "normal" sized women (by world standards) can compete after training in a relatively inexpensive, widely available boat is a bit of an embarrassment and makes it harder for the sport to maintain it's place in the circus. So, while we can probably expect the event slate to continue to change, the likely short-term impact is the introduction of the offshore class, some tweaking of the double-handers to achieve gender balance without too much disruption to the status quo, the usual screw-up over windsurfers, foiling kites etc that will please a few and piss-off many more AND the introduction of a single-hander fleet racing dinghy to allow women of a less strapping build to race and hence preserve the Laser/Finn setup for the blokes. Currently, the training pathway for girls in the UK, and presumably elsewhere, loses interest in female single-handed sailors who are not going to reach 170cm+ (5'7"), as they are unlikely to be competitive in a Radial. With the skiffs and cats being powerful boats, also demanding weight and height, their options come down to helming a 420/470 or making an early exit from the programme... Now obviously introducing a single, four-yearly Olympic slot for these sailors is not going to mean that there will be a vast sea of opportunity but it would mean that there's a development pathway for them to follow for longer before they step off it to go and do something else in the sport, hopefully having enjoyed themselves, pushed the lucky few hard enough to get them to the top and developed the sort of skills and contacts to keep them engaged... Jumping ahead to the assumption that the powers-that-be will decide to introduce such an event leads us to speculate which boat will be selected to meet the criteria... hence the discussion. A new (or modified) class might be the way... the Nacra and FX are both specific for the Olympics, as (it seems?) the Offshore boat is likely to be... but selecting an existing class, especially one with a broad geographic spread and inexpensive cost-of-entry would make the event much more accessible to, at least some, less affluent countries... This is what phase three will be about- assessing which existing classes meet the criteria and possibly delaying the selection to allow a competition for new designs if none are deemed suitable. Personally, I think it would make sense to select an existing class quickly, preferably a common one, and then expect to review and change again in another cycle or two, as foiling matures and designs stabilise... the recent flip-flopping over kites and reintroducing keelboats isn't doing Olympic Sailing any favours. The 4.7 ticks a lot of boxes but I suspect selecting it would be seen as a narrow-minded retrograde step by a bunch of disconnected dinosaurs, at least by some sections of the community (see comments upthread)... The Byte or Aero a bit less so, though many would still see it as little different from the existing boats (perhaps that's the point, though?). Interesting that there don't seem to be other strong candidates coming forward. Given the enormous number of different designs there have been through the years... I have little confidence that the choice will be sensible... Cheers, W.
  5. "Sailing" v "Yachting"

    That's her, Eliminator 32 half tonner, Julian Everitt design, built in Scotland. Was at Whitby for years but I heard she was to be heading for Portugal. Cheers, W.
  6. "Sailing" v "Yachting"

    Svanen, I notice you're from Whitby... are you familiar with a yacht called Qantro, by any chance? Half-tonner that changed hands recently... not sure if she's still there. Would like to keep track of her, as she's one of the few surviving sisters of my own boat... Cheers, W.
  7. Mocking Ads on Craigslist

    Really? So, um, why are they called "setters"? Cheers, W.
  8. Wayfarer is a good suggestion, if you can find one in the US? Aft mainsheet setup gives more space for crew. Easier to launch and recover than a keelboat. One strong person can raise mast. Draws inches with c/b up. Good cruising dinghy. Mainstay of sailing school fleets for years, as it's a great platform to learn to sail. Our club bought new ones a coups of years ago. I have an older one myself, though we've not used it much recently as we've been sailing other boats. Cheers, W.
  9. Laser Performance?

    Are things that bad in the USA? Parts availability is fine here in the UK, AFAICT. They are pricey but that's the nature of the class, it seems. As I've said before, you're not buying the boat, you're buying into the class. If you want the boat but don't care about strict one-design, then pattern parts are better value. My understanding of the "new" sail and Carbon mast-section is that they are not a performance upgrade but a durability upgrade- the carbon top-sections don't bend the way the Aluminium ones are prone to. Has the legal challenge really killed the supply in the States? What about Canada? Mexico? Cheers, W.
  10. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Oops, yes. Forgot the Cats. I think the proposal was for foiling kiteboards... personally, I have a hard time seeing those as "sailing" but that's probably just a sign of age. Been watching some of the winter Olympics and I'm not really buying some of the new events there, either... Perhaps someday we'll get re-branded as "WindSports" and be the only Olympic Sport that's changed its name twice :-). Cheers, W.
  11. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Hi, I'm not sure the 470 is being targeted to be dropped. The rumours I've seen propose: Male Heavy Finn Male Light Laser Std Female Heavy Laser Radial Female Light <this thread> Mixed Dinghy 470 Mixed Skiff 49er Mixed Offshore ??? (Double-handed, though) Plus Male & Female kites/windsurfers etc TBC So an even gender split across classes/events (assuming two genders...). Looking at the specifications for likely dinghy candidates, my current thinking is that the Byte looks to tick a fair number of the boxes and seems a more conservative option for the powers-that-be than the Aero would be. Cheers, W.
  12. Fast "safe" boat....

    Voyager, Why are you arguing? Don't buy a boat. Plenty of people will be looking for extra crew for offshore passages. Sail OPBs. Cheers, W.
  13. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Unfortunately, the evidence doesn't support this. Gender does matter. Specifically for this conversation, if you look at the results for dinghies like the Topper and L4.7, as the sailors mature through their teenage years the boys generally place higher than the girls. There are, of course, exceptions, but it seems from the results sheets that the girls+women are not in a position to compete on a level playing field with the boys+men. You could suggest that it's because the girls are simply not as good but I don't think that's really a defensible position. To the extent that I would even argue it. I'd be interested to see results for other dinghies- what singlehander do teenagers sail in Oz, for example... Are the girls evenly represented at the top of the results sheet there? The Splash seems to feature in several countries with strong sailing teams- Netherlands, NZ, Belgium... I don't know the boat, it looks quite traditional but the hull weight is lower than the Laser and there's a choice of rigs... the standard one looking overly tall and powerful for lightweights to my eye... The results sheets from the worlds don't seem to be split by gender but feature the usual dearth of girls. Cheers, W.
  14. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Hi, Hmm, lots of hate for the 4.7, despite wide availability, relatively inexpensive cost, established class association and so on... There are decent sized fleets of them racing (50 or so in the UK, more on the continent, don't know about grassroots sailing in Oceania and the Americas but the sailors that come to the Worlds seem to do ok). I take the point that it's not a "modern" dinghy... but is it really sensible to start from scratch or adopt an existing class which lacks the international spread and support to enable easy access? If not, is there an alternative? Cheers, W.
  15. Future Olympic lightweight-female dinghy

    Hmm, food for thought. Thanks for the responses. It'll be interesting to see if there's a move to push for a new foiling boat, doesn't seem to be an obvious way forward at the moment. In which case the Aero looks like a popular option, though it doesn't have the massive existing support of the 4.7... Note that competitive sailors in the 4.7 fleets of Europe tend to be bigger than you might expect... although traditionally treated as a Junior (<15) class in the UK, the sailors at the front of the fleet are generally of Youth age (15-18). For countries with existing performance programmes orientated towards the Radial/Full rigs the 4.7 has obvious appeal and for countries with smaller budgets the availability of Lasers is hard to beat. Can't help feeling that the optimal weight for a 4.7 will depend hugely on the conditions for the event, though; the Aero might not be quite so sensitive? Cheers, W.