• Announcements

    • UnderDawg

      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

About WGWarburton

  • Rank

Profile Information

  • Location

Recent Profile Visitors

107 profile views
  1. Seems to me that the hook is right at the beginning! First thing ever written on the thread: "Have you ever wondered (hypothetically) just how far you could go if you set sail one day and headed out over the horizon in a Craiglist special 4ksb with almost no preparation? Well...now you dont have to because....." Yet, here we are, 18,295 posts and almost four years later, still wondering... the question remains unanswered, except to say that the answer is (or can be) much, much longer (though maybe not much further...) than we all thought! Cheers, W. P.S. Not that I was here to witness the first departure, bit of poetic license taken...
  2. If prop-guards were a magic bullet, we'd all have them: http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/training/Training Notices and Guidance/Training Guidance/TG01-13 Prop Guards.pdf I don't think anyone's mentioned entrapment risk. I would be wary of compromising the performance of a "safety boat" that would potentially need to be able to get to a turtled boat, and manoeuvre efficiently beside it to help a trapped sailor. No easy fix: attitude, training, experience... and there's no evidence that any of these were missing in this tragedy. Cheers, W.
  3. There's context being those numbers, too- the low attendance for the Oppies in '13 is because they rotate the event location around the country and many south coast families choose not to drive to Largs, Scotland for the event. Same in 2016 but with the added hit that they changed the squad qualifiers and the Nationals don't count for national winter training places anymore... Same with the Toppers (GBR design plastic plank for teens)- the 2016 Nationals were in Scotland, so numbers were down. Entry for this year in Wales is already 172 and still open... will be up again when back in Weymouth on the south coast, because that's where most of the sailors are... Cheers, W.
  4. Really? I find that hard to believe... A Star weighs over 650Kg... Even if the keel was removed the hull would exceed the weight limits for the vast majority of European cars and vans... with the trailer added in as well? Surely not...! It might be possible, might even be legal (though I doubt it) but common? I say again.. surely not! Cheers, W.
  5. Sadly, it's all more complicated than it first appears... The cycle helmet and ski helmet scenarios are probably pretty sound examples to explore... Not because the risk levels, types of accident etc are comparable but because the way the sport and public responds is relevant. We are getting (from the sounds of it we already are in the USA) to the point in skiing where you may be seen as reckless or foolish if you are not wearing one, though I've yet to see any actual evidence that they are effective. I'm not going to get involved in a complicated exposition here, just would like to highlight that, for example, cycling is relatively safe in Holland, where few wear helmets, that there's little solid statistical evidence that wearing a helmet on a bicycle actually makes you safer, overall and that the perception that cycling is dangerous does a lot of harm to its popularity as a healthy mode of transport. After all, if it's safe, why would you need to wear a helmet? It's already been pointed out a few times in the thread that if you really want to reduce head injuries in children the thing to do would be to mandate helmet use in cars... though I shudder to think what the effect of that on other road users would be, if it applied to the drivers!!! Concussion and brain injury is a hot issue at the moment... one of my sailing friends recently published a paper on the effect of "heading" a football on the brain which garnered a lot of publicity internationally.... but her son doesn't wear a helmet when sailing... Cheers, W.
  6. Joakim, Insurance: be wary when trying to apply logic to insurance underwriting. It's a different branch of mathematics. It seems there's general agreement here that a 40.7 can be repaired properly, and I daresay that with the right documentation it would be possible to get it insured by someone. Whether that would be cost effective is another question and it might well depend on your local laws and culture (risk of liability varies). What seems to be the case, though, is that a 40.7 that has been grounded is (currently) determined by, at least some, mainstream insurers to be a higher risk than many other boats, so they may decline to quote. In the case of the Bavarias you mention above, there's been over ten years of data accumulated since the risk was first observed, so it's perhaps not surprising that insurers are more comfortable covering them. The key thing for the insurer is to be able to assess the risk- if the manufacturer won't stand behind a repair then the boat is arguably no longer a "production" boat, so the risk is now unknown. If the repair is well executed, and documented as such by a surveyor, then it's likely that an underwriter could insure it as a one-off, if they were looking for that sort of business, but you might need to go to a specialist and you could expect the premium to be higher. If the owner can't find an insurer that will accept the repair/survey that's been carried out then from their point of view the boat is "uninsurable"... That does not mean that the boat is unsafe. Just that the owner is unable to prove it to the satisfaction of the insurers they are in discussion with. You can easily see that having Beneteau write a nice letter confirming that the repair is at least as good as the original would help, here, and that a refusal to do so might raise alarm bells... AFAIK all insurers will expect full disclosure of anything relevant to the policy. If the owner doesn't know that the boat has been grounded then they can't declare it: fair enough, but if they find out that is has after the policy was taken out then they are OBLIGED to inform the insurance company of the change in circumstances, and failure to do so would potentially invalidate their insurance, as it changes the basis of the contract. There's an interesting issue if a failure occurs and the owner denies knowledge- how would they prove they didn't know that there might be a problem? This sort of thing is likely to come up when a claim is made (and the stakes are higher) rather than when the policy is taken out... Not a good place for the claimant to be... or worse their family, if the owner went down with the boat. W.
  7. At the risk of stating the obvious... If the owner didn't disclose the history of the boat, he won't be insured... W.
  8. Hi, E-boat? Proven transats. Designed 1976, still being made in Italy. http://www.rlmr.co.uk/E-Boats/ ..or an Etap? Cheers, W.
  9. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=89257 Hi, Been looking at some archived content- the "Half Tonners" thread used to run to two pages but is now showing "no replies" and displaying only one- looks like it's got corrupted? Am I missing something? I think a new post was submitted recently... surely submitting a new post to an archived thread shouldn't take a whole page offline? Thread is above (can't seem to format this properly... sorry!) Cheers, W.
  10. That's great info. Thanks for the responses. Sounds like we would fit in if we can get there! Family are keen sailors (both kids have been dinghy sailing since they were small and daughter is in NJS), so they would be ok. Good to know. Thanks again! Cheers, W.
  11. Bring me everyone.
  12. Thanks for the reply...TBH I'm sure we would be allowed to enter, and I dare say that if I contact the organisers they'll be very encouraging, but I was hoping to get a less partisan view of what the atmosphere down the fleet was like (I know we wouldn't be anywhere near the front!)... Testosterone fuelled alpha males reliving their youth? Snooty owners showing off their souped up classics? Down to earth sailors shunning the latest plastic trendytoys? Inclusive family-friendly racing for those on a budget? Can you "run what you brung" and enjoy the party or would that mean a lone boat out the back of every race, causing hassle for the PRO and delaying every start... I saw in the report from the class AGM that they are keen to encourage newcomers but I'm wondering how open that invitation is, and what the expectations are... Must be someone here who's been to one of the events, or (perhaps a more detached viewpoint) been at a club that hosted them.. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather be discreet! Cheers, W.
  13. Hi, I'm wondering what the entry is like for these events... It looks like the guys at the front are spending quite a bit of money on upgrading their boats. Does the whole fleet take it pretty seriously or is anyone with a "suitable" boat made welcome? If so, does suitable mean shiny or just meets-the-criteria-for-a-halftonner. Obviously, I'm in the latter category, or I wouldn't be asking! It's going to be a while before we get to shiny again... :-) Thanks, W.