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  1. Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

    Is that why you are thinking of setting out along the North Atlantic coast in winter on a motorsailor with a lightweight and experimental budget electric power plant? It certainly has the potential to be exciting... Cheers, W.
  2. Have Torqueedo Outboards Come of Age Yet

  3. Have Torqueedo Outboards Come of Age Yet

    Dylan, I'm no expert but this sound sketchy to me. Fisher 25s visually come with a 30hp diesel, I think... I saw a decent looking 1GM10 for sale online recently... might not replace the original but I think I'd rather rely on it than electric... and I do have a small electric motor for my Avon.... Cheers, W.
  4. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    The UK is not yet a third world country. There's no license required here to go sailing. Surely that's the case in other civilised countries? Cheers, W.
  5. Yacht brokerage owner/director earnings?

    *sigh* you are confusing units of power and units of energy... Power is what Politicians have... Energy what sailors have... Yacht brokers lack both.... are you sure they deserve to be paid? W.
  6. Which 30' Cruiser?

    I guess that's part of my question... the Bavarias & Jeanneaus seem to be listed between £30K and £60K... A Halberg Rassey about that size was asking £99K... Is there a "better" alternative to a budget cruiser where an older boat would be priced similarly to a newer budget boat? What would it cost to get a comfortable boat with mod-cons that still sails well? Cheers, W.
  7. Which 30' Cruiser?

    Hi, So, we're currently sailing an old half-tonner. It was cheap, it's good to sail, plenty of room (32' and beamy). Family of four - teenage kids - West Coast of Scotland. The boat is old & pretty rough, quite hard work, not particularly comfortable, few mod cons... In a few years time the teenagers will be off doing their own thing, we'll be down about 140Kg of crew weight and even less agile... something easier, more comfortable might be nice... I don't imagine we will be aspiring to cross oceans, though we might do the odd exposed crossings where we would expect to be able to pick a weather window. Looked at a Jeanneau 32 on a pontoon nearby... also seen Bavarias about that size that look nice... Neither has a great reputation for build quality, though. What else should we look at? Thinking wheel steering would be better, as it would be easier than having to jump across the boat every tack and a boat designed to have it may be less tender... Furling Genny seems a good idea, Furling main would be convenient but there seems to be a general mood of scepticism regarding their sailing performance- justified? I'm still picturing a sprayhood rather than a pilothouse, especially given that 30-35'' or so seems like it ought to be big enough for two + occasional visitors. Any suggestions as to what I should be eyeing up in marinas, watching the prices of etc...? It's not happening tomorrow but hey, we can dream... :-) Cheers, W.
  8. strict class

    Hi, I can see that- Although I havn't done any research at this price-point, as it's a couple of orders of magnitude out of my league, I'm happy enough to accept that this design is attractively priced - my point was more about the "designed for the masses" comment than the price on the sticker... Maybe my view of the world is narrower than I thought... my assumption was that a $250K toy would be something enjoyed by a minority... Cheers, W.
  9. strict class

    Hi, A couple of seemingly connected comments in the above grab my attention briefly: The IC37 by Melges is designed to be a one-design for the masses An attractive price of $259,000 I'd like to join these masses someday... Currently many of the families I introduce to sailing struggle to justify $1000 (or so, in Sterling) for a boat that their kid needs to have to go to junior regattas... I know there are many tiers of affluence from the "Just About Managing" to the "if you have to ask..." but Really? Seems to me we're a long, long way from a $260K toy being a product for the masses... Cheers, W. P.S. you can be One-Design without being Single-Manufacturer- Optimists are one-design, achieved through measurement, despite having many sail suppliers. I've heard some interesting stories about SMOD sails, where gains can be made by carefully picking which sail you take of the rack at the loft... Your manufacturing tolerances need to be very carefully managed by someone to ensure an acceptably level playing field...
  10. Best sailboat to teach a small child to sail

    Hi, Optimists are a huge class for good reasons. That doesn't mean they are the perfect solution for everyone's problem but to write them off as the work of the devil or a piece of shit suggests a lack of understanding. Even if there is another boat that ticks the same boxes, it doesn't have the international class infrastructure that the Oppy does, and probably won't have it anytime soon. That counts for quite a bit. If a kid/parent wants to be able to race their dinghy locally but have the option open to move on to regional, national and international competition then the options will be pretty limited. Fans of SMODs should note that the Oppy one-design format allows sails, spars and even foils to be varied to suit the size of the sailor, extending the competitive life of both the boat and the sailor. One key thing to bear in mind is that it's very easy to sail an Oppy badly- if you are new to sailing, you are likely to be sailing badly so having a boat that is easy to sail that way is a Very Good Thing. It's less scary, less cold, and being less exciting is also generally a good thing at this stage. The boat is also very, very difficult to sail well... which means that the front end of the racing fleet is likely to be a challenging place to get to... hence the number of Olympians who learned to sail in Oppies. So, that's two groups of sailors well catered for- small kids learning to sail and kids that want competitive racing. Often I find that the first becomes the second pretty quickly! Any boat is a compromise and no boat is ideal... In many ways what you are looking to do is minimise the bad points, especially those that are specific to your own situation (eg I teach small kids on cold water, keeping them dry helps a lot. eg2: a nearby club gets serious tidal flows, as a result they don't do very small kids and don't use Oppies). One other example I'd like to cite is of a parent who came to our club as a cruising sailor and was adamant that he didn't plan to get involved in racing, just wanted his kids to learn to sail- his younger son is now in our national junior programme and has qualified for several international event teams... things change :-) So, to the OP- I'd advise not focussing too much on the choice of boat but look harder at the opportunities in your area- if there's a good junior sailing programme at a club nearby then get engaged with that before buying a boat.
  11. Tragic youth sailing accident

    Hi, Good post PropellerSafety... I hope that we're in agreement that it's not a simple issue and a decision about the use of guards needs to be made with careful consideration of the risks inherent in the particular environment and application the boat is intended for, not mandated (either by government or other organisation) in a knee-jerk reaction to a particular tragedy. Cheers, W.
  12. Best sailboat to teach a small child to sail

    Depends on the child. My usual answer to this (I run the junior sailing at my local, small, sailing club) is "some are ready at five years old, some are not ready at fifty..." The main issue is water confidence- if they are enjoying playing close to water in a boat then they can learn, if they are terrified of falling in, they won't learn anything (any age). After that, the main difference is teaching style- if they are over about ten years or so (depends on the kid...) then they can be taught by using drills and explanations, if they are younger then what you are aiming to do is to put them into an environment where they can learn, not "teach" them. So you put them in an Oppy, show them where to sit and how to hold the "stick" and the "rope" and get them to steer their boat across the wind to where someone will grab them and turn them around to sail back (on a rib?). Once they can steer, you get them to tack (being VERY specific about facing forwards, not swapping hands early etc) and then they can figure-8, then close reach, to get them going upwind, then set them up to work out how to "zig-zag" up to their destination. Fit in all the other stuff they need- knots, rights of way, capsize recovery etc when the weather's wrong for sailing. Oppies have some big advantages over other small singlehanders that easily outweigh the downsides in most (not all) cases. Bigger kids (early teens) are better in a bigger boat. A laser is too powerful (yes, even a 4.7). In the UK we often use Toppers, I think most countries have something similar- Splash? Sabot? etc Are Sunfish the US equivalent? I haven't sailed one but the 7sqm sail looks too big, unless you are in a light wind area. Main thing is the fleet- it's a lot more fun to sail with your friends, and that's a lot more fun if you all have the same type of boat. A kid doesn't don't want to be the only Oppy in a fleet of Teras any more than they want to be the only Tera in a fleet of Oppies... what does your local club sail? If it's Picos or Bugs, try the next club and see if they know better... Those El Toros look pretty good! Local geography/climate matters a bit- Oppies work well for me because the high freeboard and stability keep kids drier. The fact that you need to bail them discourages small kids from capsizing for laughs and hence getting cold and quitting (Scottish Lochs have cold water!). If you have light winds, warm water & sun that's a bit less of a concern!! Cheers, W.
  13. Sailing around the world in a San Juan 24

    Seems to me that the hook is right at the beginning! First thing ever written on the thread: "Have you ever wondered (hypothetically) just how far you could go if you set sail one day and headed out over the horizon in a Craiglist special 4ksb with almost no preparation? Well...now you dont have to because....." Yet, here we are, 18,295 posts and almost four years later, still wondering... the question remains unanswered, except to say that the answer is (or can be) much, much longer (though maybe not much further...) than we all thought! Cheers, W. P.S. Not that I was here to witness the first departure, bit of poetic license taken...
  14. Tragic youth sailing accident

    If prop-guards were a magic bullet, we'd all have them: http://www.rya.org.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/training/Training Notices and Guidance/Training Guidance/TG01-13 Prop Guards.pdf I don't think anyone's mentioned entrapment risk. I would be wary of compromising the performance of a "safety boat" that would potentially need to be able to get to a turtled boat, and manoeuvre efficiently beside it to help a trapped sailor. No easy fix: attitude, training, experience... and there's no evidence that any of these were missing in this tragedy. Cheers, W.
  15. Declining fleets and memories of the boom years...

    There's context being those numbers, too- the low attendance for the Oppies in '13 is because they rotate the event location around the country and many south coast families choose not to drive to Largs, Scotland for the event. Same in 2016 but with the added hit that they changed the squad qualifiers and the Nationals don't count for national winter training places anymore... Same with the Toppers (GBR design plastic plank for teens)- the 2016 Nationals were in Scotland, so numbers were down. Entry for this year in Wales is already 172 and still open... will be up again when back in Weymouth on the south coast, because that's where most of the sailors are... Cheers, W.