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    SAILBOAT 35' 1983 CHEOY LEE (PERRY) 35

    Seems a lot of work when the OP has already said he has an identical one from the Starboard aft quarter that could be used as a pattern...
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    World Sailing Vote ... Proposal M36

    Apologies, I wasn't clear: I meant that 60Kg was too high a weight for the FOLFD, not that I thought you were wrong! Cheers, W.
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    World Sailing Vote ... Proposal M36

    Hmm, 60Kgs sounds a bit high. Suspect the target weight for the new boat will be lower. Same issue (and many others) with the L4.7, where optimal weight is somewhere around 55-65 or more. I had thought the Cii was likely but with a 6.8sqm sail and similar 55-65 Kg range(?) the same applies... Would perhaps seem odd to have a modern lightweight dinghy for 50Kg women teaming up with a 75 year old design for 95Kg men. If the proposed slate sticks, then in the long term a structure with Lasers (std+rad) for Mixed and Finn+FOLFD with separate events would look more sensible to my ageing eyes... Cheers, W.
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    World Sailing Vote ... Proposal M36

    Indeed. Spot on. Mixed one person is a way of keeping the Finn in the Games and balancing it's presence with a corresponding women's boat to suit a different build than the Radial. The target weight set out in M36 doesn't meet this but that can change- it's a proposal, not a mandate. Assuming that a credible format can be achieved for the event, I wonder if the substantial physique difference between the big guys in the Finn and the small women in the FOLFD will be an issue. It might make more sense (in the longer term?) to have the Laser & Radial as a combined event and have the Finn & FOLFD as separate events. What's the competitive weight range for the Aero-5? Is it very dynamic to sail (ie rewards a very high fitness level) for the strongest helms? Cheers, W.
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    How lucky are we?

    Thanks... Yeah- 56 degrees north. You can't see in the video, because the hills are viewed from the south, but the mountains will still hold some snow, melting into the loch... Water temp a few degrees above freezing. Surface temp wasn't too bad with the weather they got that weekend. Cheers, W.
  6. Up to the sixties it was all keelboats. They dropped them for several reasons and those reasons still apply. What makes you think they'll make a comeback? Cheers, W.
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    Olympic sailing, is it still the pinnacle?

    Soling was designed for the Olympics, it's inclusion did not kill an existing class. 470? It's a stretch... There are a fair number of single-trap double-handers around, is the 470 faring worse than others as a result of its inclusion in the Olympics? I'm open to persuasion but I don't think its self-evident. It's not like there are big fleets of Hornets, Ospreys, Javelins and Laser-2s around, nor that the Fireball or 5-0 would be down the pan if they were selected. Sure there are people who might choose a non-Olympic class over an Olympic one so that they don't go to the Nationals knowing they'll get schooled but there are also people who would choose to join a class where they know they can share the start line with the absolute best in the world... Mostly, though, I don't think it's a major factor in the way people choose which boat to sail... Class enthusiasts, local fleets, cost, atmosphere, suitability all play a bigger part in the success, and hence failure, of a class... Cheers, W.
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    Olympic sailing, is it still the pinnacle?

    We have a few Lasers at our club, too, and a 470. No 49ers but we're inland and conditions are not conducive. We have a few 29ers, though, and a couple of 420s... We don't have any Nacras...but then we didn't have any Tornados, either, nor Hobies, back in the day. I think I'm missing the point- which classes was it that have been killed by inclusion in the Olympics? Cheers, W.
  9. Yes... the "ideal" weight & height for the Radial are significantly bigger than the "average woman" even in the developed world. For much of the world they would be giants! Cheers, W.
  10. I think you have missed the point (deliberately, perhaps, in which case it is I who am the fool for taking the bait) The point of this construct ("Mixed one-person dinghy") is to allow sailors with different physiques to compete. Sailing is only allowed ten "events" and must achieve gender equality. The Laser (suitable for "normal" sized men) and Radial (suitable for "large" women) are retained, so an event that enables "large" men (currently competing in the Finn) and "normal" women (currently not competing) ticks both those boxes. The proposal elegantly meets the criteria, allowing the Finn to continue (albeit probably racing in a different format) and introducing a new class for more typically sized women. Given the constraints, it's a surprisingly good solution, in my view. There are still some big questions and plenty of opportunities for any number of interested parties to ensure we end up with a complete farce but it's not yet the worst outcome by a huge margin!!! See earlier thread regarding possible choices for "lightweight-female" dinghy (though note that the current proposal suggests 70Kg as the target weight, which is nonsensical and will presumably be fudged, assuming the whole thing isn't revisited in November). Cheers, W.
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    World Sailing Vote ... Proposal M36

    Do you realise how daft that statement looks when placed next to an avatar of a pair of bouncing boobs? Cheers, W.
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    No, I don't think so. Firstly, the Laser isn't popular because of the design of boat, but because of the class and philosophy that sustains it. Which is why it's still popular despite a long series of new classes that have been going to take over. I daresay many of them were "better" boats but they didn't offer a compelling package to supplant the existing class. The Laser is in the Olympics because it's popular, not popular because it's in the Olympics. One crucial thing that often seems to be missed in these discussions is that a boat that's going to appeal to a wide range of abilities needs to be easy to sail badly AND really difficult to sail well. That's a key driver behind the continuing popularity of both the Optimist and the Laser... You don't need to be an experienced sailor, or have a lot of money, to get out and have some fun in either but you DO need to be consistently good to finish at the front of a fleet of them. Cheers, W.
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    Pros and cons of sailing to see the world vs other means.

    So, in hindsight do you still think it was safer than flying? Scariest part of my south american backpacking experience was a taxi ride through Buenos Aires... way worse than when the hotel in Lima was held up by armed robbers... or the fairground ride of a landing in Punta Arenas in a Twin Otter... Cheers, W.
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    Olympic classes support in the USA

    That's a good article. I don't think people are afraid to say it, though.. it's a regular point of discussion on the sailing circuit. Seems to me that sport generally has a problem with overdevelopment. The equipment and the people that use it become over-specialised and narrow in purpose. Driven in many cases by technological innovation. That's a broad statement, I know, and hence inherently flawed- shoot holes in it if you like. Throw in the whole "professionalism is ruining sport" argument and you're off down a sideline for a long, long time... In sailing there's a particular split between cruising and racing. When we talk about junior/youth training there's a widely unacknowledged difference between teaching sailing as an adventure activity and teaching sailing as a sport. I'm not saying that they are exclusive (far from it), just that it's not as obvious as we would like to think that there are a lot of different pathways available, and navigating them is harder than you might think. It seems there are many different perspectives on how sailing should "work" as a sport (or as a hobby, to take the distinction above at face value). It doesn't make a lot of sense to promote foiling and skiffs as the pinnacle of the sport, the ultimate goal for those learning to sail, when many people will look at them and think- "not for me!". Similarly, kitesurfing just doesn't look like a natural progression or fit for sailing- I was a keen windsurfer years ago and would like to make time to have another go but kitesurfing doesn't really appeal... it just looks like a different sport to me... What's becoming clear to me is the huge challenge that World Sailing is facing, trying to maintain Sailing as an Olympic Sport. The IOC seems to want to turn the Olympics into a televisual sports festival, instead of a celebration of sporting excellence (can it be both?). The MNAs have different agendas according to the profile of the sport in their country and there are widely differing views on what represents the pinnacle of the sport- is it a gymnast in a skiff? a cerebral tactician in an expensive custom built yacht? a fit athlete in a strict SMOD? Should Olympic sailing be "relevant" to the ordinary sailor in their 25' cabin cruiser? I'm not convinced the industry should be driving the sport. Better to have paper-pushers than commercial interests; better still for it to be bottom-up, not top-down but that's maybe impractical these days. There's a very interesting contribution on sail-world (it's going to be an interesting few days following the conference...). One key take-away seems to be that the TV/media coverage needs to improve... and that it should be driven by Sailing, not by the Olympics or the Broadcaster of choice (is that even possible?). Seems to me that the issue with the current classes is (as discussed here on SA) is that we need to update the way they are covered, rather than changing the classes to suit the media available... We need much better technology covering the races, alongside top-notch production and commentary teams... Then the sailors can get on with the racing instead of being hamstrung by the format. Cheers, W.
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    Pros and cons of sailing to see the world vs other means.

    It's done to remove the ambiguity- to a motorcyclist a bike has an engine, to a cyclist it doesn't. In Britain, Dylan's comment wouldn't be clear without the prefix. It's not used when the context is clear... though there's also an implication that a pushbike is unpretentious. Someone who's on a bicycle is more likely to be an aficionado than someone on a pushbike... There's no point having three words for the same thing if they all have the same meaning. :-) Cheers, W. PS "horseback riding"?