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  1. Thanks HotSnail. I will reach out to them. I think the key takeaway for me is that I need to reach out to "Marine Service Providers" that specialize in refits. I've already found a few candidates that I'm going to call in the next week to start understanding if my project is a good fit. Thanks to all for the good advice. Dan
  2. Just checked the link. This is a great reference. Thanks!
  3. Thanks to all for the comments. While it may appear that I don't have experience on big boats, I've been chartering, getting passage miles via OPO and other crew finder sites, and have belonged to a few big boat sailboat clubs over the last 5 years. I've deliberately sailed on a variety of boats to get better insight on features and functions that I like or don't. I won't get into exactly what my ideas are as I don't want to distract the conversation. As I mentioned in the beginning, I have some large building construction experience working for the owner of the largest chain of hospitals in the country. What I know from that experience is even if you know exactly what you want, you still need experts in the various systems to help you make the vision reality based on actual conditions. I also know that you need an overall leader to bring all of the competing systems integrate into one result. I provide the vision and the $$. I'm looking for experienced companies that can help me flesh out my vision. I realize that most here would not take this path. I understand that. I appreciate any relevant advice that is offered. Thanks again, Dan
  4. @Panoramix - your point about the boats is why I want recommendations about neutral parties to help me determine which boat most closely suits our needs, and also is easiest/cheapest to make all of the modifications we want to make. Dan
  5. Thanks Kevin and Lasal. I'll ask about the boobies, too. Can't hurt.
  6. Hi, I'm looking for some advice on whom to work with on a large refit project. We see three basic options to get a boat we like: 1 - Buy a new production boat from a builder like Boreal, OVNI, etc… 2 - Have a custom designed boat from an architect like Dykstra and built by a custom yard. 3 - Buy an older Boreal, OVNI, Bestevaer, etc.. for 50% of our budget and then spend the other 50% on a refit. While we like Boreals and OVNIs, they don't offer all of the very specific requirements we want. And my inquiries with Dykstra lead me to believe that our budget is too low to get a new custom boat with the requirements we want. So now I'm investigating option 3. A little background first. Our sail-away budget is USD 750,000. We're looking for a 13 -16 meter boat. Sail world-wide Aluminum hull and deck. Sheltered cockpit with hard dodger. Centerboard or lifting keel. Insulated, heated and air-conditioned. High performance and high reliability systems One fuel design (electric outboard and electric stove) Modern commercial marine electronics and advanced electrical management systems. Sail handling design for short-handed crews - sail controls in cockpit. Swim platform. We're based in the Washington DC area. We have about 5 years before we want to be on the water (youngest son graduates high school). This list does not represent any of the specifics of what we want. This is just to give an idea of the type of boat we're looking for and who we are. So, I have a little (very little) experience with large building construction. Of the techniques used to build buildings, the design-build approach makes most sense to me (Under this method, an owner typically hires a single entity, the design/builder, to perform both design and construction under a single contract). So I'm looking for advice from people who know marine builders who can act in a design-build function. That is to say, naval architect and general contractor. I'm also looking for recommendations of high-quality ship yards to do the work at. Since I'm in the US, US locations are preferred. But shipyards in Europe are also acceptable. Finally, I would like recommendations about specific sub-contractors. Any recommendations of specific companies are appreciated. What I'd like to avoid, though, are distributors. I'm looking for function-specific experts that can help me scope out the overall best performance of a system based on my need. After we work with all of the subs and the GC to resolve the interoperability issues that each sub system brings, we will start identifying which specific products meet the requirements. Designer: General Contractor: Ship Yard: Sail Designer: Rigger: Marine engines and axillaries: Electrical systems: Electronic systems: Marine Sanitization Systems: Safety systems: Interior Design: Anything else? I do work full-time right now and won't be able to respond especially quick to posts here, but I'll try to respond once each day. Thanks, Dan
  7. VERY well put!!! RKoch, We'll never go to sea on any passage of any substantial length without getting additional qualified crew to help us make it safely. My plan with any boat we buy it to identify those systems that are near failure and replace them upfront. Just like when we bought our current house (12 years old at the time), we replaced the HVAC, water heater, flooring and a few other things around the house, as I knew most of those items were near there useful life and could be made more efficient. I'd rather delay launching by getting most things right than go to sea and fixing everything all of the time. I've gotta believe all boats are not just one long repair project... Dan
  8. Thanks for the good advice about starting small. We've been members of a sailboat club in the Chesapeake for the last few years and get out during the summer for 2 and 3 day trips. The boats in that club are around 35'. We're changing clubs this next year to a club with boats more around 40' for 2017. I don't yet want to buy the big hole in the water that I begin throwing money into - I'd rather just pay a rental fee for now. I'm pretty handy with most moderate maintenance tasks, so I don't feel I need to get the experience of fixing things. I can do that already to a certain degree (can't weld or lay fiberglass, but I can do most diesel engine maintenance short of rebuilds). I also try to get out on other large boats using Offshore Passage Opportunities (3 deliveries so far in 2016), to get more experience on my resume, plus I'm going to take the final US Sailing Offshore Passage making sailing classes sometime in 2017. My hope is to charter a 45+ boat in the Caribbean this year to build up to the 50' class of boats. We may not buy that big, but since this will be our only home, we want some space to spread out, and also to get away from each other now and then. So my approach, at least to my mind, is to try to sail on many different boats to really learn what I like and dislike, while also gaining more experience for my resume. If I just buy one "starter" boat now, I'll definitely learn what I like and dislike, but like dating before marriage, more is better. Dan
  9. HFC Hunter,Thanks for the advice about the Halsberg boats. I'll take a look and add them to the list. I think steel or aluminum boats fit in the Linux branch of PCs - definite uses but not a large following at all. With significant trepidation I ask this question, understanding that these boats are not what everyone would say are "great" blue water cruisers - What are the attributes in these boats and other similar boats that make them great blue water boats? I'm certainly not asking about engineering angles on bows, but more general in features, hull types, materials, etc.. Thanks, Dan
  10. I grew up cruising Spring, Summer and Fall on my Dad's 37' Silverton powerboat in the Great Lakes. Since moving to Virginia we have started to learn to sail on small boats, taking US Sailing courses and chartering in the Caribbean and Chesapeake Bay for the last few years. Our goal (wife and I) is to retire on a boat and sail around the world. We don't currently own a boat, but have talked about selling our house in 7 years when our youngest graduates High School and then buying a boat that we would live on, moving up and down the US East Coast while I still work until Retirement (I'm 47). The boat we buy then might not be the boat we retire on, but I expect it will be different by just a few degrees from the first one. My expectation is that we buy a used boat, with a budget up to about USD $650K - maybe a bit more if property values in my area keep rising. Reading this forum, I think I can categorize people here in one of two camps from the early 1990s - PC or Mac fanatics. PC fanatics focused on each individual component and wanted to maximize the "best of breed" of everything. Technology kept changing, and they constantly battled to keep up. Mac people accepted that not everything was best of breed in their Mac, but that as a whole it was better than having an un-integrated solution that you constantly need to tinker with. We're definitely Mac people. We're looking for a boat that its designers and builders focused on maximizing the "whole" boat, not too many options because options are not needed. I definitely don't see myself as a person buying a much older boat and stripping and refitting it. At the Annapolis boat show this fall we had a chance to go aboard an Amel, which changed our perspective about what was possible and to us is a fine example of "Mac"-type boat. Reading through this extremely long thread, trying to understand the minutiae of the design discussions, sorting past the reminiscences of older boats of yore that people posted as dream cruising boats, I came up with a few more modern blue water boats that seemed a good fit for us, but wanted to ask if there are others than the short list that we found: (Remember - these are boats for our shopping list in 2024) Garcia Exploration 52 Amel 55 Antares 44i Cigale 16 Oyster 545 Passport 545 Center Cockpit We'll be shorthanded much of the time, except on the long-passages. We want to be comfortable in the passage and at anchor. I don't want to be fixing things every day. I don't mind paying a qualified mechanic to do the work or pay to have the right parts shipped to where we are from the OEM. From my youth on powerboats in the Great Lakes I found that I like a captains chair that isn't mostly rails, backstays and locker latches. 24 years in the Army, deployed to all of the dirtiest places that we go has taught me to not want to punish myself just because I can. I want a boat that doesn't beat us on the water. We don't have any prejudice against Cats, but recognize that most are built for charter. We want one designed around us. The only rip-and-replace component that the PC crowd has me interested are the new hybrid-electric drives I've started seeing. I'm hoping in 7 years the state of the technology makes these more affordable, powerful and lasting. I like the idea of greatly reducing diesel needs, no propane, and significantly less noise and maintenance. Hopefully this posting doesn't start a rant about actual Macs-vs-PCs, but I have to mention that I work for IBM, and right now IBM is the largest corporate customer of Macs, tablets and phones in the world, and that I am writing this on a MacBook Pro. Times change. Thanks for your thoughtful feedback, Dan