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  1. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    There's nothing like that in the rules at all. The rules just say that they, unlike the other teams, are allowed to launch a second pair of hulls, and then gives conditions under which they can race with them (unintentional damage that can't be fixed in time, essentially). There's nothing at all about what they have to put on the hulls or anything. Both pairs of hulls do have to be more or less the same because they're one design, but there are no restrictions saying they have to do the same things with those hulls.
  2. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    I don't think anything I'm suggesting would count as a 'conspiracy'. I think they're most likely building a totally legal backup, with completely fresh hulls, in case they need it. Just like I think pretty much everyone always expected they'd do. I don't think there's any cheating going on, and I don't think they're planning on crashing the current boat to get to the new one.
  3. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    The restrictions on wings are the number allowed per competitor, not per boat. Even if they launch a second pair of hulls, I don't think there's any question of whether they can launch more wings and daggerboards to go with them. They can't.
  4. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    It doesn't matter to the outcome of the cup, but it matters to our understanding of what's legal, which is what we're talking about here. Agreed that a decent chunk of the NZ complaints (both here and in the press) are stupid and unnecessary. Some definitely jump to 'cheating!' too easily.
  5. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    I don't think BAR used their backup bows, if they had them. You mean after the ETNZ practice incident? Pretty sure they had to repair the damaged bows. Unless you have sources that say otherwise? Oracle also 100% can't just paint STJ's bows and then use them. The bows have to be built in the team's country.
  6. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Even if they showed the bow as a wind-up, that doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. I'd be extremely surprised if they were attaching those hulls to STJ's to make a new boat, because it's just so unlikely to be legal, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're constructing a second boat with completely new hulls, and just using the STJ shed (and maybe some of their non-hull components) to do it. Why wouldn't they build a backup boat? They appear to have built the bows, which would be of no use to them unless they were building a second boat, so they must've had the possibility in mind for a while. And if they're building it, why not use STJ's shed, crew, etc, given they (rightly or wrongly) have that sort of relationship? Probably makes sense they'd use some components (although not the hulls) from STJ's boat, too. And, if they were building a second boat in STJ's shed, why not walk across the waterfront with OTUSA bows just to get everyone worked up over it?
  7. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Something worth noting from the redress rules: if Oracle have launched a second set of hulls, then they don't get a day off for repairs even if they aren't at fault. So if they launch a second boat, and it isn't as good as their first boat, then they're putting themselves at some risk. I wonder if they'd keep their second pair dry for that reason, even if it meant they'd be untested in the event they need them.
  8. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Even if a team isn't at fault, they can only get one calendar day of delays for repairs. After that you have to be back out there or you're losing races, even if you did nothing wrong.
  9. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Agree about the first comment. For the second comment, I think the problem is that 'hull' is defined as the combination of the bow and the non-bow section, and each has an identification number that goes with it if the hulls are sold. Hard to argue it's a new set of hulls (and that they haven't modified them) if the non-bow sections have STJ's original ID number on them.
  10. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Yeah. I just think it if they wanted the word 'modificy' to exclude completely replacing major components as long as the shape stays the same - which would be a pretty unusual use of the word - it would be extremely unusual not to explicitly define it that way. Without any definition of what 'modify' means, my guess is that a court would not have any trouble deciding that replacing the bows constitutes a modification. If the rule were just there to prevent modifying beyond allowable limits, but to allow modifications otherwise, they'd say that, no? Instead it just says no modifications.
  11. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Can never rule anything out 100% when it comes to this stuff, but I'd say it's extremely likely they'd count 'completely replace a huge chunk of the hull but keep the shape the same' as not a modification.
  12. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Yup. As long as OTUSA aren't acquiring them, it's no problem. As I said in post 5459, though, I think acquiring the non-bow part of STJ's hulls and attaching their own bows is going to be a violation of the protocol anyway, since it would mean they're modifying the original surface of the hulls as a whole.
  13. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    35.10 in the protocol: So yeah, the limit is by team, not by boat, so if they used STJ's daggerboards, or even just acquired them, they'd be in breach of this.
  14. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    The bigger problem they'd face, imo, is rule 35.11 from the protocol: along with a couple of definitions: If they're taking a pair of launched hulls, removing the bows, and attaching new bows, how can they possibly argue they haven't modified the original hull surface? They'd be completely replacing part of it! The only way around this is if 'at launch' (in the definition of original hull surface) means 'when Oracle launch them' not 'when they're launched for the first time', which I have to think would be easily challenged.
  15. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    35.5(b). The last window in which you were allowed to do 'racing or on-water testing an AC Class Yacht in a coordinated manner with a yacht of another Competitor'. If they were to put their bows on STJ's boat (so that it becomes their boat and not the boat of another competitor) and sail against that, I think (a) it would be contested by ETNZ, and (b) it'd probably have to be Oracle sailing it, and not the STJ crew. That'd explain why they left this so late, though - leave it as an STJ boat when you need it to practice against, then once you can't do that anymore turn it into an Oracle boat for backup in case of damage. Still, I'm sceptical that just switching bows and buying or otherwise acquiring the rest of the boat would end up being legit.
  16. jawjaw

    How to watch live races?

    Yeah, but that early in the morning I think people will manage to avoid hearing the results elsewhere. I think it's pretty good. Sky is a private company whose business model is getting subscriber fees, so they've gotta keep something for the paying customers.
  17. jawjaw

    Bermuda?

    To my reading, it says teams can't red-flag protest any part of the class rule. Previously they could, just not 11.12. So now it seems like if you think someone's non-compliant, the way to complain is through a CnC, rather than a protest.
  18. jawjaw

    Race Replays

    Yesterday it took 4 or 5 hours after the end of racing for the earlier matches to become available. And even then, I'm not sure it's possible to select earlier races on the in-browser version. Try the AC app, if you have a device - match selection is pretty easy there (once they're online).
  19. jawjaw

    How to watch live races?

    Virtual eye replays are up. I can see every race on the ios app, although can't figure out how to switch races when viewing on the website.
  20. jawjaw

    Bermuda?

    Think radionz just made the same mistake we made (although link doesn't work for me so can't be sure). There's also pics of the christening on their site with captions referring to it as 'New Zealand': https://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/en/gallery/81_ETNZ-Race-Boat-Launch.html But if we want more confusion, try this story: https://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/en/news/222_FLYING-TO-BERMUDA.html Refers to it as 'New Zealand Aotearoa'. Even they can't get it straight!
  21. jawjaw

    Oracle Team USA

    Didn't see it myself, but Mark Orams in the Herald noticed it. Sounds like that might be your source, too, though?
  22. jawjaw

    How to watch live races?

    Yeah, that plus sign is how you add it to your record list. They probably calling it 'subscribing' to that show, but I'm not totally sure. If you click 'library' at the top it'll take you to everything you've recorded. There are some shows for which everyone can see past broadcasts, but I'm not sure that the AC is one of them. So the fact that you're seeing it won't necessarily mean others can. To me this just highlights that there should be a way to share recordings. They already have it on their servers - why can't you or I (or anyone else who has it recorded) share that recording with other subscribers who forgot to record it? Seems dumb.
  23. jawjaw

    How to watch live races?

    Are you sure that's true for everyone, and it's not just the case that you've set it to record AC broadcasts when they air?
  24. jawjaw

    Bermuda?

    Ha, I only know because I had the exact same thought when I saw the measurement sheets earlier, so looked it up.
  25. jawjaw

    Bermuda?

    That was AC34. This one's called New Zealand. Almost as unimaginative as '17' or 'GTF'.