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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. He fell from the boom on his back, immediately crawled to the lower part of the cockpit and lost consciousness. He woke up hearing a non existing engine...
  2. AT's DTL does not get under 10% of ALC's DTF... DTF ALC DTL AT DTL/DTF 330 36.26 11% 350 40.1 11% 383 39.5 10% 435.2 42.2 10% 459.5 57.5 13% 482.5 69.2 14% 515 72.3 14% 553 74.9 14% 597 75.7 13% 699 75 11% 763 74.6 10% 812 78.1 10% 866 78.4 9% 923.4 73.3 8% 998 71.8 7% 1126 85.4 8% 1205 88.5 7% 1264 95 8% 1324 100 8%
  3. FWIW, I've calculated the number of tacks since the start (roughly). Based upon the tracks (http://vg2016.regadata.org/vg2016.kmz) of 12.00 today. A "tack" counts when the heading between two positions on the track (with one intermediate point) changes more than 40 degrees. The distance travelled is simplified to 25000-DTF (today 12.00) Grumpy Pieter is definitely the tack master (autopilot issues?), I would have expected AT tacked much more than ALC
  4. http://www.vendeeglobe.org/download-race-data/vendeeglobe_20170111_210000.xlsx Looks ok
  5. Is the track (not the coords at each positions report) of the boats somewhere available? I would like to try to calculate the number of gybes & tacks for each of them. I think ALC has the lowest gybe/tack to distance ratio.
  6. those colors and only one foil...
  7. Longitudes and latitudes back in excel!
  8. Marine containers can be up to 40 foot long and depending of content (for example full of electronics that is packed into polystyrene packing foam) they can stay afloat only one corner above the water and the other end near to the surface because the bouncy center is almost in the middle. The other issue is that it might not stay above the water all the time. It is heavy and it is hard to move this mass up and down according to wave action. There will be lag in its movement. It is quite possible that the boat was surfing on top of the wave and the container was rising toward surface. Basically the wave helped the boat with it fully canted keel over the container. Of course, if the density of the container is lower than the surrounding water it floats, if higher it sinks but because of some typical stuff in a container (a lot of air, some devices and packing material), the density of a damaged container is often close to the density of the water (intact it floats). Including some external forces (waves) the container starts to fluctuate close to the free surface, sometimes above, sometimes under. Over time the foam decays and the container sinks
  9. This is what ALC says: Savoir lever le pied : « Nous allons mettre la course entre parenthèses dans le gros de la dépression. Le but sera bien de préserver le bateau car on n’a pas le droit à un joker dans le Vendée Globe… Les conditions s’amélioreront à partir de dimanche. Je ferai alors le bilan et si tout va bien je remettrai du charbon. Nous ne sommes qu’à la moitié du parcours, je continue à naviguer en bon marin car la suite de la course va être piégeuse. » Something like: "We will put the race on hold during the huge depressions, the goal will be preserving the boat because we don't have a joker during a VG. The conditions will improve from Sunday on. I'll reflect by then and if everything goes well je remettrai du charbon (+- I'll put coals on the fire again). We're only half way, I'll continue navigating cautiously because next part of the course will be trapping" Yes, English side is unequal to the French one...
  10. Since these containers have to be (if I'm not mistaken) watertight they can float for a long time but more often they float one or two meters below the free surface (because of some ingress of water over time). As such you can hit them hard without ever seeing the box. Every half an hour a container falls overboard (according to some) but I never met one when sailing (and I like to keep it that way).
  11. Sebbe still going for Leeuwin, Ruyant not the heading he prefers and AT bleeding miles...
  12. Rudder damage for Éric Bellion, starboard connection damaged, rudder itself intact. http://www.vendeeglobe.org/fr/actualites/16907/avarie-de-safran-a-bord-de-commeunseulhomme
  13. Hopefully he's just putting his 3rd reef in, and a small staysail. He is looking ahead for a tough ride in the next 12 hours for sure. 35-40 knots of wind. Just using Google Translate myself, but unfortunately he was not putting the reef in. http://www.gitana-team.com/a-1248/avarie-a-bord-d-edmond-de-rothschild-sebastien-josse-met-provisoirement Looks as if foil is seriously damaged more or less this:At 30-35 knots of wind and waves of 4m he went into a surf and crashed into the through of the next wave. The brutal stop resulted in the foil sliding in and damaging the foil tip (the inside end) and control system. Sebbe was inside and is unharmed he gybed but couldn't keep on sailing on this port tack because he would end up at the eye of the low. he's in close contact with his shore team more info soon Incredible. Imagine throughing in a gybe in those conditions to save the foil only to realize you were heading right into the worst of the low. I hope he can stay in the race.
  14. Not working here either in Safari or the TOR browser. [...] The wat.tv site requires Flash. At the end of the clip (1:26) are a 2 seconds or so with HB from behind, no starboard foil. That should solve that. Edit: screenshot vg_tf1_hb_no_foil_1.jpg check the black dot in the red circle (probably an alien) and watch the footage again (at 1'20"ish)...
  15. from above http://www.lci.fr/vendee-globe/jt13h-vendee-globe-grand-froid-et-records-de-vitesse-en-tete-de-course-2015152.html