martin.langhoff

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About martin.langhoff

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  1. martin.langhoff

    New Olympic Dinghy Selection

    Or a class controlled OD. Local manufacturing could presumably manage costs better. Still, very hard to pull off. When I wore my notes above I couldn't help thinking -- there has to be a better way. But it's damn hard to rework the financials, shipping and customs process.
  2. martin.langhoff

    New Olympic Dinghy Selection

    That's unfortunately easy to explain. Importers in Latin America have to deal with very unstable currency values, and unpredictable import taxes and laws. Also, it's customary to add sales tax (GST/IVA) to the quoted price in Lat Am, but not in USA. So... Say you import an OD dinghy that retails for USD6K in the USA. That does not include sales tax so if they quoted final price, it'd be USD$6 420 Say the dealer margin in the USA was $1500, and they sell 2 per month. $3K monthly income. This also means that LP sells it for $4500. Add transport and import agent costs - say $1500. Importer in Br gets the boat for 4500 + 1500 = 6K. However... They sell only 1 every two months. Even at lower local costs, you'll want a higher margin as it moves "slower". They cannot assume that the local currency equivalent of $6000 is their base cost, because the local currency may well devalue in a big jump, leaving the importer without enough USD to replace the stock, so they build up a generous "buffer" import laws/duties may change, making the import more expensive or complicated Local sales tax will be high -- 15-20%, and it gets included in the price you see. Obviously, the buffer is profit if things don't change, but keep in mind that Lat Am currencies sometimes devalue 50% against USD. Importers are often rich in the gravy until they meet a devaluation higher than their buffer, at which point they go under. Quoting in USD removes some of the risk, but local laws often forbid it -- so you might have to call and get a "price of the day", based on the exchange rate of the day. Fast-moving, core necessities stock also shrinks the risk. But slow-moving, discretionary purchase expensive items... it's normal to see 2x and higher cost bumps in Lat Am. An Armani shirt will easily cost 3x in Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo, compared to NYC. I've seen all of this up close, though mostly with electronics.
  3. martin.langhoff

    New Olympic Dinghy Selection

    Having sailed the whole range - optis to foilers to condomarans - I wonder... What did we do wrong??? I'd "skip school", or more realistically call in sick at work, for a foiling boat. Anytime! For a middle of the road hiking single-handed boat... Zzzzzzz...
  4. martin.langhoff

    C-Class Little Cup news

    That's a bit of insight I had not come across before. I had a much simpler mental picture of the equilibrium of V and J shaped foils (ie: less foil in the water). Thank you! On current a-cats, folks seem to have switched from J to Z foils, and making good process with them. I haven't wrapped my mind around the dynamics of Z foils. Has there been any C Class cats with Z foils?
  5. martin.langhoff

    C-Class Little Cup news

    Why? Has anything fundamental changed?
  6. martin.langhoff

    New Nacra 15

    Aren't we saying exactly the same things?
  7. martin.langhoff

    New Nacra 15

    Well, kids don't appear out of nowhere knowing how to handle them. They learn on club boats. Not many clubs have them, but those that do, as you point out, are N15 market. Yes, and overlap with S9/Whisper/Essentiel: enthusiast who's watched the AC cats with hunger. Not necessarily racer -- fun go-fast, fly, have a blast. Top load daggers, beachable, can handle 2. If it had been available 2 years ago it'd have been in my candidate list.
  8. martin.langhoff

    New Nacra 15

    All I am saying is that clubs that'd have 29er/49er fleets, which are high end skills and costs, oriented towards int'l/olympic competition, are likely candidates to build up a N15 fleet. Some configurations can also compete with a Whisper or S9... the combined volume can then drive costs down. The killer for me is the weight. Once you've had a really lightweight cat, why would you sign up to move a heavy beast on the beach wheels again?
  9. martin.langhoff

    C-Class Little Cup news

    @blunted -- your notes on what you tried on Rocker are gold. Thank you. Can you tell us more about the heave notes above. I'm not sure which mechanism or setup strategy you're talking about. (I agree on simple self regulating systems, just lost on which mechanism you're discussing re ETNZ and Groupama.)
  10. martin.langhoff

    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Well well. We might be able to arrange something. firstname.lastname@gmail.com gets to me.
  11. martin.langhoff

    C-Class Little Cup news

    Super interesting! I am intrigued by the discussion re Rocker and how they found the combination of additional drag and depowered rig (to keep the boat flat) to limit its performance. The RM "lost" to the windward foil is part of the problem. There's no mention of rake differential or increasing control surface on the foils. We use rake diff on the Whisper (with less rake on the windward foil), and sail with some windward heel. The Stunt S9 has comparatively large control flaps so I'd hazard that they create significant downward force. Both techniques work -- within limits -- to allow us to get more power out of the rig. @Charlie P Mayer @flyinggorilla -- might be of interest.
  12. martin.langhoff

    New Nacra 15

    Or club fleet... ?
  13. martin.langhoff

    New Nacra 15

    Yeah. Folks have to project reasonable expectations. These are complex toys, it costs to design , experiment, settle on a particular final design, and manufacture. And the manufacturing is small scale, so per unit costs are high.
  14. martin.langhoff

    Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Biscayne Bay, Miami. PM me...
  15. martin.langhoff

    Whisper Foiling Catamaran Sailors

    What a devilish tease! Come to Miami, either - packing light, without extra boats, we already have two foilers and a tri - bring Phoenix, composites repair great, and it has 3 sails for wider range of conditions, and bigger challenge ~ martin