Commercial Boater

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  1. Commercial Boater

    what's wrong with it?

    The only thing wrong with it is about 30' of LOA and 10,000 lbs of displacement too much boat. Maybe a sail training school could snap a boat like this up but what other serious use is there? $150k is doable for your average cruising retiree couple but the upkeep and dockage, to say nothing of handling the lines, is surely beyond this market's ability. And if some rich nostalgic person picked it up, it still is too old and narrow to make into a cruiser and too outdated to play with the modern racers. That said maybe there is something really screwed with it beyond it being 70 wallet-fucking feet of boat. A lightly built boat that's been raced hard for decades has got to have some deeper problems.
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    Losers and suckers

    A few select quotes from Trump on our friend Mr. Bolton. But now after months of attacks on Bolton suddenly he's a reliable source: "...a disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!”..." "Many of the ridiculous statements he attributes to me were never made, pure fiction. Just trying to get even for firing him like the sick puppy he is!” And not that Dog or the other cucks would care, but here's Bolton condemning Trump's recent remarks on the military. Not exactly the words of a man right wing mainstream media would have you believe has categorically denied these remarks were ever made:
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    Pelosi - Laws are for the little people - Not me!

    I cannot stop laughing. Stupid salon owner agrees to let Pelosi in, lies about agreeing to let her in, and then gets publicly exposed for having illegally operated in-person for months beforehand. This story has already conveniently left the Fox news cycle so no viewers will have to worry their little heads about this whole thing being exposed as at best a sham and at worst illegal entrapment and business fraud. Another hilarious attempt at reputational warfare brought to you by the "Grab 'Em By the Pussy" party.
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    Pointing ability of duck punts and similar craft

    That's interesting, I've never heard of a place with regulations like that. I found this page linked from the Forestry Service site for the BWCA: 12. Is motorized equipment allowed in the BWCAW? Motorized watercraft meeting specific horsepower limitations are allowed only on designated routes. No other motorized or mechanized equipment (including pontoon boats, sailboats, ATVs and sailboards) is allowed, except for the use of portage wheels on specific routes. Drones are prohibited. There's nothing in the rules against canoes or kayaks. Many kayaks have rudders, and that's certainly a "mechanism." If you flew a small sail from a sea kayak with a rudder, then you pretty much have all the mechanisms of a small sailboat. Paddles are clearly allowed, but do oars and oarlocks count as a mechanism? I don't think there's a consistent logic to it. Which of course begs the question as to whether you can build a sailboat without sails?
  5. I'm lucky enough to have done a vanlife thing (truck life in my case but close enough) for about half a year, and to now own a 22' sailboat. Vanlife is both easier/cheaper to live a "normal" life with, and generally less difficult or skill-intensive. Getting wifi, power, heat/AC, and toilet access is easier on land where you have campsites or RV parks. Dispersed campsites are free and plentiful, as opposed to public anchorages, and you don't need to anchor a van. Marinas are much more expensive than RV parks or campsites, and you need a ~30' boat if you want to stand up inside and have comparable floorspace/amenities to a small van, camper, or trailer. Then you have the logistical issues of boat ownership, which is usually restricted to coastal areas with high cost of living which defeats at least one of the huge draws of vanlife, i.e. cheapness and a low bar to entry. All-in, living on the road for a year cost me about half as much as just the purchase price of my sailboat alone, and the only thing I really needed to do it was a driver's license and the little truck I already had
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    Rainmaker Spayed

    As per the FP, the Gunboat 55 Rainmaker has been resurrected as a motoryacht. While a sad end to an otherwise exciting sailboat, at least it's much less likely to tip over this way. Actually, bummer though this is, it seems to me like this boat could make a pretty amazing motoryacht. A low-displacement former performance catamaran with two long, narrow hulls must be very easily driven. I bet with two small turbodiesels this could easily be one of the most efficient powerboats of its size on the market--so long as you keep the washer, dryer, and watermaker at home. Actually, with hulls this narrow, you probably don't have the interior space anyways... For reference, the Fontaine Pajot MY 40, a hideously fat and heavy motor cat with dual Volvo 370's in an IPS setup, gets 27 GPH at around 16 knots (0.7 MPG). This is a 34,500 lb catamaran and it's unfortunate that they chose to set it up to cruise so far beyond its hull speed of 8.5 knots. In displacement mode this boat does 7.3 GPH at 9 knots, around 1.4 MPG. A few years ago they tested catamaran and trimaran style downeast fishing boats, and the results indicated that traditional semidisplacement hulls were actually more efficient once you were on plane. For example, our traditional Downeast-style 40 x 15' Osmond Beal longliner displaces 36,000 lbs unloaded. With a 900 HP Caterpillar she drinks 20 GPH at 16 knots--better at cruise than the supposedly more efficient catamaran setup. Of course this will change with 6,000# of haddock on the deck... As a final comparison, let's look at a 40' trawler to compare with our motorcat and fishing boat. The Nordvahn 40 displaces 50,000 lbs and has a John Deere 107 hp turbodiesel. The review doesn't give exact efficiency figures, but from a quoted range of 2400 miles at 7 knots with 1040 gallons of fuel aboard we can derive an estimated cruising efficiency of 3 GPH, for 2.5 MPG. It's amazing that a 25-ton trawler is the most efficient boat in my list of examples but when you're going half the speed of everyone else you get to reap the benefits of displacement mode. may have noticed that,Affordable Trawlers Under 40 Feet.&text=Nordhavn's goal was to demonstrate,the 40 circumnavigated the world. If whoever refit Rainmaker chose to keep the overall build light, and chose reasonably sized engines for a cruising speed near the displacement hull speed of 9.5 knots, then it seems like you could have a boat easily capable of making passages of 1000's of miles with a tiny fuel burn... if you had the patience for it. Of course, the sort of folk who buy 50' former racing catamarans and convert them to motoryachts would probably rather go 20 knots than 10, but perhaps in a not-too-far-off future where diesel is $10 a gallon we'll see more boats like this. Anyother ideas for or examples of super-efficient, sailboat-derived motorboats?
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    Ed, u gonna lead the counter parade?

    On the 4th of July, I was staying on my small sailboat on its mooring with my boyfriend. We're in a small harbor on the south side of Cape Cod. Lots of folks going in and out to anchor just outside the breakwater and watch the fireworks. For the most part people followed the no wake rules in the anchorage, as it's pretty tight and a small space. There was one boat, however, which didn't care. It was a giant plastic sportfisher with two giant Trump flags flying from its outriggers. These are the kinds of boats that us professional tuna fishermen love to watch--they spend the whole day running over schools of fish, casting into giant pods of dolphins they've mistaken for tuna, and dropping empty cans of cheap beer overboard (even as they burn $200 of fuel an hour to do it). The best part is that they usually have like 8-10 rods out at once (compensating?), so if they actually get a bite, it's almost certain they get double or triple hooked and break all the lines off at once. These cunts blew through the anchorage on plane, enough to almost swamp some of the smaller sailboats in the mooring field. All this to get less than 1/4 mile offshore to anchor up and set off some fireworks. And you bet your ass that they had 25+ people on that 40' boat, none of whom were wearing masks or distancing at all. Well, inevitably, they fucked up and a whole box of mortar shells went off on the bow at once. I was laughing so hard I almost pissed myself. When they came back in that evening, far slower than they left the harbor, there was a huge black burn mark on the bow where this had happened. Now, if they had been far from shore as to be dangerous if they sank, or if there had been a big fire, I wouldn't think it so funny, or be sharing this story. But as it was, this stands out as the funniest thing I've seen on the water this year--better even than the time I watched a man in a MAGA hat and rented center console beach his boat and floor it trying to get off the sandbar with the prop and intake fully out of the water (I towed him off and sent him on his way). Here's hoping that someone with a camera and similar sense of humor is there to capture whatever goes on at this rally!
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    Steve Bannon arrested for massive fraud

    L M F A O M M F F A A O O Can you die from laughing too hard? What about schadenfreude poisoning?!? Irony overdose?
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    40' Sailboat or East Coaster Powerboat WTB

    The point CarCrash made regarding operating expenses is a good one. I'm sending this from the deck of our 40' Osmond Beal downeast longliner. With a 900 HP Cat she uses 20 GPH at 16 kt. cruise. If you get untaxed non-road diesel you might pay $2 per gallon, so we basically pay $2.40 per mile to cruise around. A really efficient 40' trawler might do 2 MPG. The trade-off is that you're in displacement mode and going only as fast as a sailboat would. I personally hate how badly the trawlers I've seen and been on have rolled and pitched in any kind of sea; the lack of a ballasted keel makes a big difference. Of course I've never been on a boat with active stabilization or the like so I can't say how that would work. If you're only going for 40-50 mile trips at most a powerboat would certainly be more convenient and you won't be breaking the bank. But if you decide to go for a long cruise at any point in your boat owning career? Better whip out that wallet... Of course, all of this is predicated on the silly ideas of logic and finance. If you just so happen to love the act and feeling of sailing, then the only solution is to get a sailboat I'm afraid
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    Say his name!!! Cannon Hinnant

    Speaking of "Mainstream Media" coverage (and I should add that Fox News, which immediately began 24/7 coverage of this story, is the largest and most "mainstream" media outlet in the country), here's a great Forbes article over how reactionary and outright white-supremacist right-wing media figures are using this boy's murder to further their racial and political agendas: On an unrelated note, when will we be allowed to hunt cucks like Snore and his cronies for sport?
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    New Naziland President

    Now THAT is a monument I would be proud to tear down and hurl into the sea! Unrelated but I love the line you see tards like BB and the Fox hosts spitting, that "99% of people are fine from Covid!" 1% of the population is 3,500,000 people, so will we just write off these folks who will die or spend the rest of their post-recovery lives with disabilities in that scenario? And yet, these same cuckservatives go crazy over 1 or 2 homicides a day in Chicago...
  12. I think there's a 5th category of boat that we're missing here: none at all! Sailboats are large and often laborious material commitments. Even small dinghies need places to store them, trailers or dollies, etc., and cost thousands of dollars. Mooring or dock waitlists at public harbors (read: affordable to lower-crust folks like myself) can run 25 years or more. Kayak, canoe, and paddleboard sales have skyrocketed recently, and that makes sense. Why buy a large, expensive, skill-intensive sailboat requiring years on a waitlist to have a place to keep when you could get a kayak you can throw on top of your car instead? Trailering in and of itself is a deterrent to many folks so it's not like smaller boats are the solution. Yacht clubs are old, stodgy, expensive, and mayonnaise-white... not exactly my generation's preferred scene. As for big race boats... frankly, who cares? I don't know anyone my age who watches the America's Cup and at least that's a well produced race with fast and exciting boats. Otherwise, few folks want to watch a bunch of sails on the horizon meander back and forth at 5-10 knots for 12 hours. And to non-sailors, racing rules seem complicated and annoying. How long can pro racing sustain itself when most people would rather watch a video game streamer? The only young people who get into doing or watching sailboat racing are started on that track by sailing parents, and even then most kids who start racing don't keep at it.
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    Boat parade sinking

    "In the Facebook post, a woman participant said she was in a yellow boat (seen in the video) that came to the sinking boat's rescue. She claimed that the boat sank because it had "too many people on one boat" and not because of the Trump boats." Looks like 4-5 adults on an 18-20 foot boat. Definitely fully loaded, but not overloaded per se. Certainly doesn't look like a high-freeboard boat to start with. I'm not surprised to see deflection and blame-shifting coming from the rally participants and organizers considering who the rally is for. I've seen plenty of lobster boat parades, which feature much larger and heavier boats than shown in this video, and have never seen a sinking as a result. The real question is if anyone is legally liable. Rally organizers for not obeying/enforcing navigation/wake rules? Local harbormaster for approving the rally? Sunk boat captain for not checking Notices to Mariners?
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    I'm far from an expert on insurance, much less the international insurance market, but I do know some things from recent experience and have several adjuster friends. My understanding is that, unlike car insurance where the massive market and high rate of owning insurance (200+ million cars in the US) means companies can make good profits on small margins, there are far fewer private boats than cars in the US and a much lower proportion carry insurance. As a result many boat companies don't care about old, relatively inexpensive boats (particularly sailboats which are generally cheaper than powerboats) because they make most of their money on insuring new or nearly new boats, or on commercial policies for working vessels. Companies' valuation algorithms are built to minimize losses insuring old, highly depreciated boats through providing tiny "actual cash value" (what a euphemism!) estimates which can differ hugely from purchase price or surveyed values. If you'd rather provide your own survey and name an "agreed-upon value", they're more than happy to triple your premium as a result. See the recent Pantaenius move to drop coverage of old boats, and Geico cutting its maritime insurance for BoatUS instead, as examples of how these economics play out. Specific to my case, since I'm an unmarried 24 y.o. man, my premiums are based more on my demographic risk of fucking up than the actual value of my Catalina 22. I was quoted $1,200 a year for replacement coverage based on "actual cash value" and refused coverage on an "agreed-upon value" basis. My liability policy premium is about one tenth of my quoted replacement policy premiums. This is despite my owning 2 boats, having more than 4000 hours at sea, having every credential short of a Captain's license, and having verifiably worked on boats for at least 1 decade!
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    I did read the fine print I only carry liability insurance as my boat is so small & cheap, and I am so young, that annual hull loss or replacement premiums are more than 25% of the boat's total value. Geico gave competitive coverage for the price (although it's always a question if they'll pay out, but I think all insurers try to shaft you this way) and they had already made the BoatUS switch by the time I got my policy. Reading the fine print is always good advice though!
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    Community Reputation

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    Is this a good time to buy

    Marinated chicken breast with veggies and rice. I learned from Alton Brown that sauteeing the raw rice in some butter before cooking it gives it a nice toasty flavor. I would definitely recommend if you're getting bored of regular white rice.
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    2020 Fishing Thread

    Bluefin Harpoon season 2020 was pretty good for us. Covid fucked the prices and we were limited to 4 fish a day, but we still ran the sector out of quota in early August. We had our 4 nearly every day we could go out. There's no shortage of fish out there. Anglers were cleaning up with mackerel near the Regal Sword yesterday and one boat hooked a 108" bluefin inside Cape Cod bay as well. Now we're trying to get the big longliner set up for harpooning as a general category boat and limited haddocking. We'll see how that turns out. The dogs and skates are thick as shit out here this time of year and there's very few guys long-lining for anything else because of that. The big bastard of a fish shown below was 119 inches and 1050 lbs. Myself included for scale.
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    Is the MSM biased ?

    Wrong! But Obama did do a pretty good job of cleaning up the mess Bush left by deregulating housing and lending rules. Note that this GDP chart is slightly out of date and does not include the massive GDP losses Trump caused by his complete and ongoing failure to deal with Covid-19 like every other developed nation on earth.
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    BENE slow first 235

    It sounds like you're not necessarily looking for a trailer and are already committed to getting a slip priced in 5' increments. If that's the case, I'd recommend getting a 24-25 footer. I love not having to spend money on winter marina storage, or worry about marinas not letting me do my own maintenance work. However, a trailer can be a significant portion of the total "package price", so you'll get a comparatively nicer boat per dollar if you don't get one with a trailer. I love my Catalina 22 and my boyfriend is more than happy to camp on it with me, but it's definitely closer to camping than anything else. We're both in our mid-20's and pretty resilient, but if I was older and trying to bring a possibly reluctant partner aboard for anything more than a daysail I'd go for a larger boat. 25' won't be that much more difficult to handle than 22' but will absolutely be more stable and potentially have things like an enclosed head or a respectable amount of headroom.
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    Chicago Gun Ban Redux

    It's almost 8 o'clock, do you want to wait for this evening's Tucker or is this your best effort based on yesterday's episode? Clearly the State Police screwed the pooch on this one, with utterly devastating consequences to the plaintiffs and broader Illinois society. Too bad there's nobody working for police reform in this country!
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    Craigslist - Not mocking

    For all the features they list in the ad, and as nice as that boat looks otherwise, they're awfully terse about the engine. It's a Westerbeke 21 HP... okay, what's the model, hour count, and condition? Why no pictures? My automatic guess in these situations is that it's a rustball original to the boat with 5000+ hours and terrible access to filters and dipsticks. I always hope to be proven otherwise!
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    Chicago streets running in blood

    I refuse to believe this is not taking verbatim from a Sean Hannity rant. You need to cite your sources or you'll be flunked for plagiarism! As for consequences, weren't you just responding to someone discussing the 100+ people arrested for the exact thing you're saying has "no consequences"?
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    Chicago Gun Ban Redux

    I'd imagine that being "entitled" is suing a city because they wouldn't issue you a license for your hobby in a timely manner during a pandemic. Acting like you're likely to be called upon to defend yourself or others while walking down the street is a psychotic form of LARPing, and pretending that the state is trampling your right to self defense by unintentionally making you wait a few more weeks to get your gun is laughable. And what does the fact that Chicago is in the middle of a gun violence epidemic as a result of lax gun laws in neighboring states have to do with Chicago's gun policies? Gee I don't know, if only I could get my opinions conveniently packaged in the form of a Tucker Carlson rant every evening, then I'd know what to think about this for sure!
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    40'+/- perfect racer/cruiser for $100K+/- FOUND IT

    Saiorse? That's my boat's name! Admittedly she's half the length and probably an eighth of the displacement... I don't know anything about Tripp 41's but boats named Saiorse have been very kind to me, so in my expert analysis, I endorse this 100%!