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  1. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    BillDBastard Not wining --- I'm relatively happy with my number 222 and the boats I sail against weekly. But I no longer will pay to race a regatta where I will be pitted against a 36' 127 PHRF. It is PHRF that is wining about membership and participation going down :-) Hershey
  2. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    My friend. My belief is that PHRF #'s are based on W/L 10 kts wind and a no-current. No where did I state otherwise. What I do state is 1) that current has a major influence on how well PHRF works. Current cannot be worked into the PHRF#'s 2) Close PHRF splits negate any problems created by current. 3) Racing a 22 ft 222 PHRF boat against a 35.5 ft 127 PHRF in a high current area -- is a guaranteed drubbing of the 22 ft. boat no matter how great the skipper of the 22 ft. boat, or how lousy the skipper of the 35.5 ft. boat is. ******************************************************************************************************* 10 mile "race 5 miles between buoys. 3600/(550+180) = 4.93kts 3600/(550+120) = 5.37kts PHRF difference of 1 minute/mile. 10 ktm / 4.93 kts = 2.03 hrs. 1 0 ktm/ 5.37 kts = 1.86 hrs. 2.03-1.86= .17 hrs. .17hr. X 60 minutes/hr = 10.2 minutes. Had I carried the decimal places out further, the time difference would approach 10.0000 minutes. Do you think this happens by accident?
  3. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    10 mile race; 5 miles between buoys 3600/(550+180) = 4.93kts 3600/(550+120) = 5.37kts PHRF difference of 1 minute/mile. 10 ktm / 4.93 kts = 2.03 hrs. 10 ktm/ 5.37 kts = 1.86 hrs. 2.03-1.86= .17 hrs. .17hr. X 60 minutes/hr = 10.2 minutes. Had I carried the decimal places out further, the time difference would approach 10.0000 minutes. Does anybody think this happens by accident? Hershey Now, how many PHRF 120 boats can average 5.37kts in 10 kts of wind? Oh wait a minute! There is a 45 degree tack going upwind ( 5 miles) so the overall course would be 1.2 x longer. That means both boats average speed over the water would have to be 20% faster. So the 180 PHRF boat would have to average 5.9 kts ( fat chance) and the 120 PHRF boat would have to average 6.44kts
  4. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Excuse me; My PHRF certificate based on YRALIS only has 2 sets of numbers. Spinnaker and non spinnaker ratings. AS far as my mental masturbation. Those are all based on PHRF formulas. Hershey
  5. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Nope; They are based on a Windward/Leeward course. My friend. Take 2 PHRF #'s 60 secs/mile and figure out the speed for each boat per PHRF. 3600/(550+PHRF#) now "sail" them around a course with 2.5 miles between buoys. Figure the upwind leg will be 1.4 x 2,5 or 3.5 miles over the water. ( 45 degree tack angel) Figure out how long it will take each boat to complete the course. I bet it comes out to be 5 minutes. When you complete this exercise, then come back and post your results. Hershey
  6. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Just curious. Are any of the sailors here on a PHRF committee? Please identify yourselves so we can see where you are coming from.
  7. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Lets say the wind is coming from the due north, heading to the windward mark is 0 degrees and the current is running from North to South. That is what I mean. Hershey
  8. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    No more time is going slow and less time going fast. Does not even out
  9. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Yup; I have mine right in front of me. What should I look at? Hershey
  10. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Yup; I have mine right in front of me. What should I look at? Hershey
  11. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    No; PHRF numbers are based on 1) a windward/leeward race 2) No current 3) Wind around 10 kts. ToT does PARTIALLY correct for current effects and courses not being windward/leeward. hershey
  12. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    And to sum it up. Assuming the numbers are correct. If boats are grouped by reasonably close #'s the system works If there are large spreads -- system falls apart. >> 21 secs/mile. If you have a problem with one # then Give a boat a # that is too low, you ruin it for that person. Give a person a # too high, then you ruin it for the fleet. Hershey
  13. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    If the race was only a "one way" race, with the current helping -- it favors the slower PHRF boat, because the distance sailed over the water is less then between the buoys.
  14. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    No --- the results do not average out because you spend MORE time going against the current and les time with it. Hershey
  15. YRALIS PHRF minutes

    Wrong; Take 1 kt from a 5 kt. boat you reduce their speed by 20%. Take 1 kt from a 4 kt boat you reduce it's speed by 25% Now let's take a light air condition. Take .5kt from a 1 kt boat you reduce it's speed by 50 %. Take .5kt from a 1.5kt boat and you will reduce it's speed by 33%. And if the boat can only make 1 kt and the current is 1 kt --- that boat doesn't make it to the starting line. Where the boat that can go 1.2 kt will make it around the course. Are you getting the drift :-) Hershey