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  1. Perhaps a different, yet-to-be discovered geometry could stand up to air pressure with a vacuum inside. Pretty heady stuff.
  2. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    That's what I've been thinking. I mentioned many pages ago in this thread that Tasha may have been an unwitting prisoner. But the incompetent theory was simpler. Now that we see all these excuses coming out, the prisoner theory is becoming the more simple explanation . Unfortunately, this makes for a very dark tale.
  3. Cold molded boats, how have they held up?

    Meat Wad, Hot-molded was a process where the boat was made of thin wood veneers in a manner similar to that used for plywood (glued with resourcinol and cooked under pressure in an oven), but over a form that made the resulting plywood a boat shape. Cold-molded used the same idea, but the veneers were glued together with epoxy. It can be over a form, or over the frames and stringers that make up the structure of the boat. Neither oven, nor pressure is required for cold molded, though some cold-molded techniques use vacuum bagging to create pressure.
  4. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    Or, per recent history, has holes you could drive through the Seventh Fleet.
  5. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    Mookie, The slime line, if it appears on both sides (I haven't seen the other side, so cannot say) could be explained by rolling back and forth in swell without sails up for several months. The not sailing part is just weird. Even Rimas, who is apparently unable/unwilling to sail except on a broad reach, has done some creative jury rigging of sails. In fact, sails that could be put up correctly, he jury rigs incorrectly. But he knows to put up canvas. If the spreader connection on Sea Nymph was truly compromised, then a double or triple reefed mainsail should be supported adequately by the lowers on the compromised tack. More sail could be put up on the other tack.
  6. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    If you have the opportunity, sure!
  7. Staysails

    I think there was a time in the early days of 49ers that some were breaking topmasts in light/moderate air with the spinnaker up. Reaching at hot angles put high side loads on the rig. Same issue? Seems potentially worse for the Volvo 65 as the canting keel is not suspended from the rig, as is the ballast (crew) of the 49er. The rig is designed to handle the maximum righting moment of the boat with the keel fully canted and some allowance for dynamic loading and safety factor. Each of the halyards for those 4 sails places a significant compression load on the mast so it is likely one of the worst case loading scenarios. Do they still haul the bowman up the mast to put a strop from the spinnaker head to the mast, or did that go out with the Volvo/Whitbread 60?
  8. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    This is one of those situations where I imagine asking the key person (in this case Appel) some very clear, but gently-worded questions to try to find out what happened or what they were thinking. I imagine my skillful questions result in answers that clear the mystery up and perhaps correct their erroneous thinking. In reality, when I actually find myself with the opportunity to ask such questions, the inane responses leave me so buffaloed, or perhaps even so embarrassed for the other person (what was that German term), that I resign myself to a few platitudes and find the quickest excuse possible to terminate the conversation. I suspect that would be the situation with Ms. Appel. It would take someone with more intestinal fortitude than I to press her for the truth.
  9. Staysails

    That's a likely explanation. A few of the headsails are noticeably luffing.
  10. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    Points well taken Kocher. Maybe somewhere along the way her contact with reality started becoming thin, and in a less than subjective mindset she took up sailing.
  11. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    Good practice too.
  12. Wreckage from October 29th Storm

    I'm looking at the rig. I had assumed it was just distortion in a wide angle lens. Is the rig really leaning several degrees to port?
  13. Staysails

    Is it just me or is Dongfeng overpowered. I know they like to sail heeled to keep the wetted surface down. Perhaps this shot was taken during a particularly strong gust. It just looks like a lot of power being lost due to poor angles of sails and foils in their respective mediums.
  14. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    Given her quals as a landscape architect, motorcycle racer, skydiver, etc., it seems that Appel should not be incompetent on a boat. I initially thought you guys were all being wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, when the simple answer was abject incompetence. But it seems she had been around boats long enough, and had enough technical chops in other endeavors to dispel incompetence as the primary reason for their misadventure. I too smell something fishy here. signed, newby wild-eyed conspiracy theorist.