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  1. Craigslist Finds

    Just my luck, I took one of these as a partial trade in the fall. Mine has a full laser rig though. I only sailed it for a few hours, but it didn't seem that bad. Of course I haven't had any downwind runs in 20+ winds yet. I do have the old style Laser vang and I was using a little downwind out of habit. Maybe that helped.
  2. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    No, I believe the Intensity gun mount is in a cassette in the rear. I recently got an E-mail saying it was back in stock. It was around $84.95 if I remember correctly.
  3. What Are Your Sailing Goals for 2018?

    I just want to make it to sailing season without freezing to death. So far it doesn't look good.
  4. Another what's the best dingy question

    I've reserved all my downwind clusterfucks for 14' catamarans.
  5. Another what's the best dingy question

    This is the first I have seen of those, as I'm on the other side of the pond. If we had one here I would love to sail an Impulse. Looks like it would be much more stable than a Laser and a bit dryer to sail.
  6. Another what's the best dingy question

    I'm 87 kg and I did fine with it. Just like Tillerman said, one foot pressuring the opposite side. It was slightly wobbly in 8 knot winds, but I never got wet. Sailing was more stable when the wind picked up. My only issue in light air with the Aero was that the factory demo had a 2m tiller extension. If it were mine, I would have cut 30 cm off the tiller extension.
  7. Another what's the best dingy question

    If you have no dinghy experience, I would buy the cheapest used Sunfish and sail it hard until it capsizes every day for 3 months. Then sell it and buy an RS Aero. Seriously though, a capsize in a 130 lb dinghy is nothing to be scared of. While racing my Sunfish last August, I watched a 70 year old go over in Aero during a race with a 17 knot wind. He was back up in under 30 seconds and still beat me to the next mark.
  8. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Yes, I'll get back to Sunfish racing. Sorry about the side track, but now that clean Waves are showing up on CL for $1k used, it's hard to not notice the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
  9. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I have sailed a Hobie Wave that belongs to one of our WSA club members. We have two of them that belong to guys who race our pursuit races. I like the Wave for it's smooth ride through chop and the lack of a center-board is the shallow areas. My only reason for not having bought one is that it's almost too easy to sail fast. You could literally sail the circumference of an entire lake for an hour with the main sheet close hauled and cleated without changing sail trim at all. So it's exactly the opposite of the way I sail a Laser or Aero. As you already know, I'm constantly trimming the sail and hiking in those.
  10. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    All I can say is that LP is lucky the RS Sailing dropped the ball with the Neo being 60 cm too short or we would be having a very different thread. So don't tell them that the average american sailor weighs 13 stone. A race quality roto-molded polyethylene dinghy is going to show up at some point. It's only a matter of time, and for the record, polyethylene is not brittle like the Hunter ABS plastic that we hate. It's the $300 kayak plastic. The money isn't as tight as some think. I retired from motocross racing one year ago and I would often see new guys show up on $8k machines. There was also over $1k per year in maintenance costs. Within 2 years, many would buy a $10k toyhauler. (I believe this translates to caravan in English). We also see a lot of parents with 12 year old kids spending $3k a year on youth hockey. Most of the parents would rather be at the beach in the afternoon with the kid, rather than a cold ice rink at 5: AM for hockey practice.
  11. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I'm not sure how much all the expensive legal battles really matter for hardcore small boat racers in 2018. If we really break it down using common sense, A $5000 Sunfish or a $7000 Laser is simply irrelevant. In small club racing with 1975 hulls, nobody is buying $600 sails and few clubs are going to harass their friends over a LP logo. In big regattas where wealthy retirees have money for new boats, there are better boats. Both the RS Aero and Megles 14 put a Laser/ Sunfish to shame when it comes to performance at a slightly higher cost. Even if we limit things to a hard $7000 budget cap, we could still buy a brand new Raider and have a better performance per dollar. Some will throw the Boy Scout /camp or rental market out there as the savior of the new $5000 Sunfish. After searching all of the Florida Keys for a Laser/ Sunfish rental, I can say for sure that that market is 100% Hobie Wave/ Getaway. I guess that makes sense given that a Wave is nearly indestructible. After a biblical global meltdown and flood, only cockroaches will remain and they will have a perfectly serviceable fleet of Hobie Waves ready to sail.
  12. Aft mainsheet

    My strong opinion on the daggerboard length of the Holder 14 comes from two different things. One is the common sailing technique of lifting the board when over powered. I've had to use this a few times when over powered and it works pretty much like the old times said it would, heeling a bit less and having a little give in the big hits. I could say it's a reduction in leverage from the boats roll center, but the truth is I have no idea other than it worked when I needed it. The second part comes from racing every Sunday this Summer in our club races. We are scored using Portsmouth numbers, but a dozen of our racers are a one design fleet of O'day Daysailors who are so competitive that they have strong opinions on everything. They are also amazingly accurate on some things. So what does that have to do with a Holder? It tells me a lot in race conditions. I know which Daysailors I can keep up with and at what speed I suffer in comparison. So I tested different board positions, different sail trim, body position on the boat , heeling VS sailing flat. So the short version is, on an triangle course with a directly upwind leg, with wind speeds between 12~18 knots, 50~51 inches is the sweet spot for pointing ability. My only other comment is that the Holder was sold by Hobie both with and without a vang. I had no vang on mine and I only missed it over 20 knots and then I REALLY missed it.
  13. Aft mainsheet

    At the risk of being the bearer of bad news, I can say for sure that you have the wrong boat for your wife. The main sheet rigging is only a minor detail compared to what is coming next. How do I know this? I just spent the last year sailing one with my wife. The real issue is that the cockpit is too small for mature adults and you will find that the combination of the tall daggerboard trunk in the same area where the jib sheet ends makes for a lot of tripping and confusion if she isn't an experienced sailor. Add to that the front cubby is blocked off for front flotation means even half a kayak paddle will not fit and becomes a tripping hazard. One other thing that is not really bad design wise, but may be an issue for you, is that the original daggerboard is a several inches too long at roughly 58.5 inches. That makes the boat a little tender, even with the 6 foot wide beam. Don't get me wrong, it is nearly impossible to capsize while sailing, but it heals over enough before it settles into it's happy place that it can make a mature woman freak out. This is especially bad if she is sitting on the jib sheet that she should be releasing. The good news is it is a very well made boat that stays 100% dry between the hulls and if it doesn't it is always just a bead of silicone behind the cubby wall (near the weep holes) or the O-ring at the drain plug. I also can tell you for sure that 50 inches is the best daggerboard length from handle to the tip for pointing upwind. It's also one of the best balanced helm when planed off that I've ever sailed and righting it when capsized is easier than a Sunfish. ( I have only been over once while sailing, and that one was a pole vault off the daggerboard and once I pulled it over to retrieve the up-haul line.) I'm going to advise against sailing with a ratchet block only, as the sheet loads a little high to hold for long runs. It is also easier to untangle the wife from the jib sheet when cleated (assuming you have a tiller lock or bunji). So which trailerable boat am I buying to sail with my wife? It's probably an O'day Daysailer 2 at 17' or a Rhodes/Mariner CB at 19'. I also wouldn't rule out a Precision 18. if it was cheap. I have borrowed a DS2 and that was a very relaxing sail without all the stress. It also had the jib cleats on the kick-up center-board case the made life much easier for her. What an amazing difference for her with a boat the only weighs 100 lbs more. Also both the DS2 and the Mariner will sail with the main only. The Holder is very hard to tack without the jib.
  14. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Sunfish, your new ISCA name is Flounder.
  15. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    I know it worked exactly the opposite in the Daysailor class. The class rejected the builders improvements and their boats(DS3) and worked with the new builders to again build DS1 race boats. There was also some pressure to handicap one old DS1 boat that was just too well built. it never happened, but it was close.