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  1. Oyster Yachts gone bust

    Yep. For people with the funds, the only thing they can't buy more off is time. And to be honest? What's the fundamental distinguishing factors that separates a particular Oyster from generic HR? If you have the money - you have a lot of options. I don't see anything in the Oyster lineup that's so peculiarly unqiue why it can't be done elsewhere without the UK troubles.
  2. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    He might have marked the nonskid, but they're reapplied anyway. I think compared to someone else trying to clean up fecal matter with the bilge pump...
  3. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    In terms of tone deafness, I don't think it is fair to say that SiFi is "tonedeaf, it is the world of sailing - I mean after all, in international sailing - we give comparably more time and thoughts and resources in permanent mourning of individuals lost pursuing their sport than other societal events that in one instant has created more hardship and grief in more families, in a way that'll accordion for hundreds of thousands. There's been observations for some time the disconnect between the organized professional sailing ranks vs. the cities they visit. Even folks who talk about how much immersion they have, culture they experience, at the end of the day they stay at hotels most locals can't afford in a year - and the visitor, gringo, weigouren who claims to be representing you and your interest... well he's just after the $ because he certainly doesn't live there except at a luxury hotel, a gated community or high rise condo, prob has a driver in a stretched Audi/BMW/Mercedes or something even more rarified and is closer in situation to a local party official than the middle class. This inherent disconnect is why there's increasingly more challenges finding funding and support in the developing/developed free world where information access and economic opportunities very different. America's Cup faced the same problem, Formula 1 is facing the same problem. Imagine going to pitch a responsible board re sponsorship - we'll like $5 million a year for 4 years to brand a speeding car, a racing boat and in exchange I'll try and get you 50,000 unique eyeballs per day on your brand for the duration of the 4 years. $3.6 dollars per pair of eyeballs (which is nearly 15% of the daily income for the average Brasilean - who doesn't exist because the wealth distribution is bipolar so real income is likely much lower). Then another marketing executive/director walks in - says he can get 50,000 unique eyeballs a day and 10,000,000 views in a span of 3 weeks with a production budget of $1,000,000, a box of GoPros and some extremely talented but young & cheap participants, distributed on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.
  4. Oyster Yachts gone bust

    The difference between Ford Pinto, DC-10 and the Toyota unintended acceleration - is the Pinto was not statistically less safe than other vehicles of the era, the DC-10 & DC-11 variant continued service for ~30+ years, and the Toyota unintended acceleration issue was basically a mass hysteria hoax. Oyster's keel problem & its issue is more like... de Havilland Comet. The industry is a tough one, and with Oyster positioning itself in the luxury market with relatively low volume, just losing a few prospective luxury would be buyers in an era where luxury catamarans and trimarans are dominating new private boat sales priced above $250,000 euros - it is a tough market to keep alive esp with the Brexit nonsense coming along.
  5. Defending an existing PHRF rating

    Everything said above. Also with ratings, since it is a new group, you don't know how it is coming so don't start with an adversial tone. Informative and work with the group. Their focus should be to ensure equity and parity. If their review process increases your rating, don't target them, read their findings and humbly ask them to apply the same methodology to the rest of the fleet.
  6. Pretty difficult to enforce considering with a professional boat crew, you can basically be constantly removing the haylard and be "inspecting" the line and turning blocks. Unless you have a pair of binoculars/telescopic lense and are filming the crew for a good hour, how are you going to make that accusation?
  7. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    I think the decisions were made five days ago and now the fleet is just taking what's there. Brutal conditions.
  8. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Is there a statue of limitations as to when a request can be submitted? Say if a team has in hand a preliminary finding that's favorable? Shrug I stopped paying attention while busy so if it's been discussed to death eh no harm done
  9. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    I think it depends on where the accident fault lies. Vestas suspended racing to rescue as all mariners should. Redress wouldn't be out of the question if Vestas is absolved. Simply don't have info to know. It'll be good for VOR race and thus far the org has shown it is rather flexible with leg rules to make a better race. But what do I know. Vestas is still in it thanks to DF and MAPFRE performance. DNF and DNS and Vestas can still make up the difference in one Southern ocean leg?
  10. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    The team that's probably losing big is DF and Vestas. MAPFRE can lose the overall race, but it won't be here. It'll be the double point legs, leg 7 and 9. For them, there's a cushion with all other boats except DF that in unpredictable conditions where equitorial crossings and poor weather modeling data, they will be content following DF. Vestas' incident takes pressure off DF from winning legs, but if Scallywag, Brunel or even Akzo pulls it off and gets a good result in the last southern ocean leg, DF will be under a lot of pressure. Esp considering Vestas folks are essentially resting now and their sails will be in better shape having fewer miles. Not to mention possibility of redress points for Vestas pending outcome.
  11. Vestas 11th Hour recovery

    The newly fabricated panel is likely incomplete and more for purpose of bow shape/essentially a female mold for the foam/inner hull laminate which I presume will be vacuumed bagged in Auckland. The cutting and grinding work beforehand will be more like Japanese woodworking than sandwich construction.
  12. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    SA stopped being useful at denying foreign adversarial use when mathematics demonstrated that you can setup a known receiver, then analyze the SA drift and broadcast a correction signal. Also the private key was likey acquired clandestinely by PRC and RU.
  13. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Eh I can still take a noon sight but I'd wager the portable battery operated garmin to be more reliable than any sextant derived position on any modern sailing vessel in any sort of sea state. If I had to pick and choose prioritization and allocation of resources, I'd say a spare VHF handheld w/ GPS receiver built it sealed up with good batteries and put away in an antistatic bag is a better use of money and time than a sextant. GPS jamming is really more of a problem the closer you're to a source that would be motivated to jam you - which ironically for sailing purposes means the more utility GPS has (further away from landmarks or other potential navigation aids) it'll be more reliable. We're not in the business of transiting into the Persian Gulf or thru the Taiwan Strait in a carrier battlegroup. End of drift. Personally finding it really hard to pay much attention to the race, particularly after HK. I'd check once a day, but that's more or less it. I suspect the VOR coverage will also erode as the event goes on as top ppl start defecting to new jobs as there's no guarantee the position will be held for 3 years. *shrug*
  14. VOR Leg 6 Hong Kong to Auckland

    Zheng He was an amazing mariner. Too bad so many morons after his departure decided Chinese nationalism under the CCP was more important than reality. He sailed as far south as Indonesia, but didn't have any reason to go further south. His expeditions were focused on human exchange, trade and exchange. Not plotting discovering uncharted islands.