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  1. you're talking out of your butt i see... Ted turner never built a boat...he won in Courageous. So no it was only in the 80's that new boats were being built. I was there on the water watching him and hood battle it out...although not much of a battle really. Turner was that good. I have met Ted hood and my Dad won the 1973 one ton cup with him in Sardinia. One of the only races they beat Turner was in the marblehead halifax race. So back to my comment and why I said what I said. If the boat is the deal..then you should just race remote control boats with lots of algorithms. But if you believe sailors make a difference then why not test for that. Study the history before you spout nonsense.
  2. Im not a foiler.... thats just the sport trying to get the public to watch. Fails everytime they try it. Until the races make sense to a layman it wont ever fly... and until then, it just upsets the traditional diehards who are 80% of the audience. Whoever led around the first mark won it ...thats a drag race. The AC needs to realize they arent the top trophy in the sport and havent been since the first cat appeared.
  3. I think you missed MY point. And you neglected to state your reasons..have any?
  4. Why have a crew at all? You obviously want a drag race rather than a test of human skill.
  5. AC36 - The Venue

    1. What happens if the event is hosted in Dubai or Italy ....and ETNZ wins again? - the chance they would revisit the issue of Auckland hosting it again is slim to none. 2. If Auckland does host and doesnt win again...then the construction and renovations will need a definite commercial alternative...IE they ned to avoid a white elephant front and centre in Auckland harbour. a- Id take another look...and consider widening the harbourfront. Lose the container port, and start shifting all the industrial stuff out of the way. Container port on a new wharf to the east maybe. b-Tank farm is a bad issue given environmental clean up costs. Why waste the money on that. 3. Lastly, I think its a mistake to go as high tech as they have.... Getting more teams to compete is the key to making it a self funding sport. As long as its run fairly the fans will overlook the cut in speed. You need closer finish times to excel. Feels like another Bermuda coming.
  6. yep way back in the early early days .... 1881. The next challenge came from the Royal Canadian Yacht Club and was the first to be disputed between two yachts only. The schooner Madeleine (148.2 tons, 1868), a previous defender from the 1870 fleet race, easily defeated the challenger Countess of Dufferin (221 tons, 1876 design by Alexander Cuthbert). Cuthbert filed the second Canadian challenge, bankrolling, designing and sailing the first sloop challenge for the America's Cup in 1881. The small 65 ft (19.81 m) Canadian challenger Atalanta[16] (84 tons, 1881), representing the Bay of Quinte Yacht Club, suffered from lack of funds, unfinished build and a difficult delivery through the Erie Canal from Lake Ontario to New York. In contrast, the NYYC cautiously prepared its first selection trials. The iron sloop Mischief (79 tons, 1879 design by Archibald Cary Smith) was chosen from four sloop candidates, and successfully defended the cup. then once in the contemporary times 1983 'Canada 1' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_One
  7. Moved on to lousy competition...and lousy spectator value.
  8. Team NZ

    I wouldve wimped out and named them both. For ALL the reasons stated. PB's starts were awesome. But GA was a true leader and brought it all home. Congrats to both anyway.
  9. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    thanks!...just spat coffee on my keyboard ....Burst out laughing. You owe me 19.99 for a keyboard....but ill pay ya 20 for the humour.
  10. Two sailors and dogs rescued after 5 months

    Thats what you'd take for 4 adults. (two winch handles were missing as well)
  11. Teams?

    PB has a longer vision than that...so does ETNZ. They have proven it up to this point successfully too. I see them conspiring in a way which wont poison the relationship forward. Making it 'all bets are off' now, could end being disastrous. So I see a continued teamwork trying for a co-advantage against the competitor boats. Outspending has proven not to win the day in many cases. So I tend to believe that their goal will be to try and make sure the winner of AC36 is one of them ....and then rinse repeat for AC37. Start making people know that the American dominance is a thing of antiquity. Thats total victory-the goal. What if LR syndicate agrees to foot the entire bill for ETNZ with an agreement to lose in the 11th race? Thats the evil devious route. Share wins in alternating cups and defend the LR/ETNZ team...FOR ETERNITY. ( a close exciting match would be great for ratings and viewership) With some basic design but tricked out monohulls...The advantage could be the helmsman and the instinctive knowledge of the weather off Auckland. (advantage NZ?) We know Peter Burling can sail the sh*t out of a foiling cat, but does that hold true for a monohull? Think thats what hes finding out now. I would put even money that he could be 'replaced for AC36, or maybe hes even better than he is in cats...lol. If he is, then that could cause the split in the ETNZ relationship. Name the top five helmsman and top 5 tacticians...im sure most if not all are in the VOR right now.
  12. Darn right. We need some 'anything can happen' potential drama. Tacking duels and sail changes supply that in spades.
  13. Next America's Cup Free to Air

    25 bucks subscription to watch...but you get a free AC36 alarm clock ( plays a wav file of Ted Turner cursing at you, while squirting salt water on you, and finishing with a danforth airhorn blast.)
  14. AC36 Auckland NZ

    pipe dream-back of a napkin-what if-ing : How about over by judges bay? I keep looking and see that as the only place to expand the waterfront.... My Idea would be to build infrastructure down that way and shift some things down over there. Auckland I heard (in committee meeting) that they have infrastructure plans for 2030? So if they moved them up...(the billion dollar plan) then the AC36 could be the best way to jump start things. I would maybe start by moving the cruise ships over that way? Google earth shows they are already 'terraforming' expansion of the container port. Moving the container port might be the thing then just use that land. but where. obviously some buses, parking and trains might be needed to allow people to mosey around easily...
  15. Saw this video on an insurance claim form in Louisiana. Clause 11 says "I agree not to boycott Israel..."
  16. ill admit to anti zionist...but Palestinians are semitic so... not anti semitic. More pro zionists live outside Israel than in it..so it seems days are numbered for zionism.
  17. Also here is a pic of the governor of Texas signing the anti-BDS bill. IN FRONT OF THE FLAG OF ISRAEL. Notice the USA flag is not center...violation of US Flag Code 175 (e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs http://tcotrel.tripod.com/flag175.html
  18. Olson 30 vs. Soverel 33

    hehe, thanks. Yeah I did some research..and saw the 33 came later... Then I went to lunch today and asked.. he said it was 40' . Thanks ...
  19. Olson 30 vs. Soverel 33

    hehe We chartered from Soverel in 1973.... But, Dad raced in the SORC all the time with Ted Hood, dont remember the type of boat (red hull 'Cavu') felt like it was a 37/38. But might have been a 33. I was 7. sorry to interrupt..lol
  20. Team NZ

    mono match racing? when is the next event? love to know...
  21. So, AC in SF ...not many came...same for Bermuda. And yet they (hosts) keep trying to promote multihulls. Most people buy a monohull for their first boat even today. Its safe and people understand the simpler physics. A muppet can sail a monohull (not well) with others and thus can get a grip on the human component of the competition. As for viewers numbers ...its not cost effective it seems. TV passes on it, and just as many will watch online as in person. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sailing-americascup-viewers/tv-viewers-tune-in-to-americas-cup-but-jury-out-on-finances-idUSBRE98H1C820130918 Personally, I couldnt stand the level of competition this last AC. Much rather a human component/skill making the difference than cyclors..hydraulics and algorithms. Whoever led around the first mark was the winner. Might as well just have drag races. Another small point.. safety... ie Andrew Simpson. RIP. Dont think ETNZ wants that on their conscience while trying to build a dynasty. If what you think is true..then I expect a major yearly 'world series' to run on foiling cats... lets wait and see.
  22. AC36 - The Venue

    FYI ...in 1973 they held the World one ton cup in Puerto Cervo...(I know cause my Dad won it with Ted Hood!) But back to Auckland... city council meeting on sept 5th
  23. Bye bye Artemis Racing

    really ?compared to the 1980's and the supercharged rockets they drove... then they limited the turbo boost, then later outlawed turbos . So, to compensate they added some X factor with KERS systems. The primary reason I saw was that the cars fundamentally were too fast for the tracks...and they werent going to rebuild all the tracks. So the cars have to change. In AC... its a lot alike. Goal is to have close tight nail biting racing. But to get that with foiling is a very hard proposition. So its got to change. Another similarity is the team racing concept that has unfolded in NASCAR and F1. I personally hate it. To think the best driver in the best car wont be winning because of some deal? ( So I havent watched basically since Earnhardt/Senna died.) The relationship with team Japan and Oracle, and the Luna Rossa and ETNZ was where I saw the AC heading... bugged me. Anyway, I hope they can grow the sport...but the cost involved is so horrendous compared to the fan base ..it wont happen unless BIG steps are taken. I have a few ideas... 1. expand the AC to have other classes race...(ie have multihulls and foiling monohulls, and behemoth monohulls like the j boats too) 2. Put the ..(buckle up for this one) Deed of Gift in a glass case and leave it there. It makes for so many head aches. 3. Run it more than every 4 yrs. 2yrs? 1yr? any rule changes would be given a heads up of say 4yrs. 4. Run different courses topographies have a series of races. (as it is the LVC is the predominate action, not the final races) Having some or all the changes would allow more countries to step up to the challenge.
  24. Bye bye Artemis Racing

    (What are the odds the point I was going to make was referenced on the last post made...Ty Family sailor..) F1 cars kept pushing the limits on tech and what happened ? The skill of the driver was minimized. (posi traction etc) In sailing, they face the same hurdles almost exactly, given algorithms, hydraulics, and pre set sail trim. I hope they keep the sailors 100% invested in the performance and not rely on the high tech aspects. If you do, you will end up with drone boats with no humans on board, and one computer programmer dancing around on shore.