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    Centerboard aluminium singlehanded go anywhere
  1. Steve! is it safe to say that your experience with the Boreal has spoiled your interest in other likewise competent vessels? If not, or if you still have some valuable information on other boats from before you purchased the Boreal, it would be very much appreciated. The Boreal has already sold itself to me, but it sure is reassuring to read a hands on evaluation of somebody who has much more experience on the subject than myself. That greatly enhances the value i put on your opinion on other boats (still) out there. So please feel free to chip in!!!
  2. Hi Steve, nice of you to drop by! I think your Boreal has been the only one to hit the pre-owned market these last couple of years!? It sure says a lot about the boats. And yes I am not too far away from the Boreal yard and yes a visit is in my planning. From my research I had already gathered as much about the yard and the owners' attitudes as you so well describe. I am quite exited about the Boreal design and although in particular the Ed Joy designed 'Seal' has some preference over the Boreal design for me personally, the only drawback I see is the whole process of building a new boat. The time involved and the necessary decisions to be made. I do not have any illusions to know any better than the guys who came up with these kind of designs in the first place, and ideally I would want to pick up a pre-owned vessel. That being said it may very well come to building new if such a boat as yours was the last to come to market this and the next year. And I will not consider a pre-owned before comparing to the option of building new. As it stands now, and if building new becomes a serious option, the advantages the Seal and Futuna design has over the Boreal are more than compensated in the fact that only the Boreal is ready to be constructed in a size more comfortable to my liking. i sure as hell don't want to go down a road where I become the wallet of an experiment to cramp a bigger design into a smaller size. I'm sure that before you decided on the Boreal you went through a similar process of doing your homework as I am undergoing now, and if there are any pointers or know-off's you have to share from that period please do, it will be more than appreciated and be of great help in my ongoing research. Thanks!
  3. Has it been commissioned by someone or still on the drawboard?
  4. jfa 54 with finot conq swing keel

    look for blisters in the paint. It must be due for a new finish. Thats why my preference goes to a bare hull. the other JFA is a 45 way smaller and nowhere near as well built
  5. Coolboats to admire

    yeah, even that goddess must have told the guy - pleeease sell it. not even a year in the wet up for sale. something seriously wrong with that boat for sure. But I bet some flaky hippie in the old world will think of it as "the next best thing" and scoop her up. at a steal for only half a million whahahaha (maybe I should have posted this one in the uglyboat admiration threat instead? I guess it qualifies for both!)
  6. Coolboats to admire

    where is it? would like to witness that abortion ;-)
  7. Coolboats to admire

    I can not think of a cooler boat to post on this thread: http://nl.yachtworld.com/boten/2016/Mithral-Marine-Tribrid-RD-24-2998224/country.indonesië#.WhHQwkrtyUk dig that!
  8. jfa 54 with finot conq swing keel

    I have been in touch with the broker. I think the fact that I'm currently located in the netherlands has somewhat dampened his enthousiasm in feeding back info about the JFA. I have no clue when exactly but am planning to be in Oceania somewhere december januari also. Am going on an extended trip and while in the area inspecting a few boats in different countries. The JFA is a bit above my ambitions sizewise but other than that it seems it has lots to offer. I'm afraid it has some hidden drawbacks otherwise the salesguy would be all over my ass. there is lots of interesting info on centerboards and such to be found. I started a topic on the subject the whole centerboard/lifting keel concept has proven itself beyond doubt and the newer vessels are the ones I would ideally be interested in, but then that would involve the whole process of construction and design which takes a ton of time I don't care to invest. I'm keeping my finger on the market for young pre-owned boats that near meet my requirements to enter the second hand market the upcoming year.
  9. By looking at the way the guy is sitting leaning into his railing it doesn't appear to have worked out very well for the Garcia helm position. Pretty uncomfortable looking to me. Imagine having to sit like that all the time. And what if you're not as tall as the average European bloke, eh? What if you're an averaged sized Bolivian or Indonesian male, eh? Then you're about 5 ft 3 inches tall. And his averaged sized wife is only 4 ft 8 inches!! Good luck with that, standing up and looking over the shed. And when you're sitting under the protection of the doghouse, you cant look any way but backward..by god, the whole design is backward man!
  10. this picture shows the props design of the JPB 52 better
  11. for comparison the two pilothouses of the Garcia exploration 45 and Cordova40: The garcia has the plus there is the sheltered outside area which the Cordova lacks. But I guess my biggest objection to the Garcia design is not the out of the ordinary shape the pilothouse has, but the fact that when you are in the cockpit you cannot see THROUGH the pilothouse. I wonder why they did such a big concession in their design? You would always have to look over or besides the superstructure like the guy is doing in pic3. When you look at the Cordova, Boreal Futuna, Seal and most of the others, windows in the back wall of the pilothouse ensure you have at least some forward visibility (i added the 3rd picture below (of the garcia) to emphasize the fact its superstructure is blocking the view)
  12. In checking out the designs of the JPB52 mentioned above I found another shipyard (normandy yacht services) that builts boats under the name Cordova. A 40ft has been completed, and on the site there are also designs of a 45 ft version. http://normandy-ys.fr/ below pics of the 40ft version. I like the pilothouse, and compared to the Carcia eploration I like the traditional design of this boat better. I do wonder how the space below deck turns out, because on a 40ft the leftover space whilst incorporating the decksaloon/pilothouse must be quite small
  13. Thanks! I had not come across that yet. Interesting to see how they seem to have incorporated 2 engines and props in the design. Like you say quite light on details. They also built a 47 footer, Metapado 47 (2nd pic)
  14. Bestevaer 45/49/53 - True Offshore ?

    i had not seen one under sail, but yes, you are right! What the heck is going on with those sails eh? it;s another point I would add to my 'dislike' list of this design, here my earlier comment on this boat under another thread that is about 'go anywhere': "For me the long and the short of it is that for my personal taste the design fails to be innovative enough, it hangs on to the old school designs, and has a strange mix of new/old I really don't dig. Nowhere any commitment to be found; -the hull takes a modern twist at the bow, but remains rooted in nostalgia at the stern. Not even the windows. Round windows in the hull, rectangular ones in the superstructure and squares in the pilothouse without any cohesion. the interior hangs towards luxury, but fails to really deliver (in my view) and because of that also fails to adher to the rougher specs you would want on a go anywhere boat. "
  15. I came across a Patago 50, which has another solution for a lifting keel going through the hull all the way up to the deck. I guess this design minimizes the possibility of leakage underwater, but if you hit anything? The seal and Futuna are designed so it will swing up in such an unlucky event. And it doesn't look like this particular design will sit on its hull.