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  1. FP Americans have not seen the ocean

    Does Brian Hancock have to include, in every fucking piece he writes for the FP, the fact that he sailed a Whitbread? Good for you Brian, but instead of some drivel that talks about, well, mostly, you, and then makes vague statements like... ...maybe you could put down your glass of rosé (spelled with an acute accent mark, btw) and do a fucking internet search? Maybe try this: Google
  2. My newest project

    /sarcasm font on/ Bob, the whole fucking horizon is bow down. Easily by .25". Can you adjust the planet's trim ballast too? Thanks; I don't want to fall off.
  3. My newest project

    You really ARE an idiot. Clearly a typo. "Real" boat stuff. Every village needs it's idiot. Congratulations on your appointment to this exalted position.
  4. J112E

    If yo're referring to Davanti Tyre or J/Lance, nope... "The spec included an IRC friendly keel without bulb, Axxon high modulus carbon mast with carbon spreaders, carbon boom and carbon steering wheel." Cite The boat appears to have come from a dealer with that keel, but that is not the production spec for a typical J/112e which offers the normal L keel or a shoal draft keel. It is an "IRC friendly" specification, created by an industry insider. I'd venture there was a quite a bit more than the usual expense associated with a "stock" boat. To be clear, I don't really care; good for them for putting another boat on the water. But that is not a typical J/112e. And it is typical of what is perceived to be the back-room dealings by an IRC friendly guy who has a lot to gain, personally and professionally, if his IRC friendly boat wins races.
  5. J112E

    So someone took a low-volume production J/boat, realized it did not go well under IRC because of the L keel, and built an entirely new keel for it solely for the rating advantage since IRC discourages bulbs and Ts and Ls and/or favors straight keels... IRC, meet hypocrisy: 2.4 IRC discourages unnecessary expense at all levels.
  6. Vineyard Race 2017

    Well the plot thickens... Two boats going into the last event of the season, tied for the Sagalo Trophy. Yes you guessed it! Young American and Gemini! Will either boat do the Gearbuster and break the tie? Or not risk it... Was Gemini out of compliance with her certificate in the Vineyard Race? Where is that missing transom box? Ahh, the intrigue of the season culminates with these cliffhangers!
  7. My newest project

    I can't wait for the sea trial. Actually, no, that will probably go fine and everyone who has a stake in the project will be happy. I can't wait for the comments after the sea trial. One photo of the boat heeling over and it's over! Proa will tell us how it is heeling too much because of the weight of Perry's ego on one side. Pano will do some math saying that the angle of coefficient (whatever that it) is all wrong and way outside the design parameter. Overlay will post that it's because one engine is missing. (Bob, that'll be $2 please. I'm not cohorting, just toadying up to your side. I'll have my Nigerian account manager send you my details for the deposit. Thanks in advance.)
  8. J70, cheating and pros

    I don’t know why there is such a fuss about this. The J/70 class is about to die; in a matter of a few years, it will be populated by club hacks and people will be bitching about it’s PHRF rating. Maybe you didn’t see this, but I received this press release just today. Really exciting stuff and I’m stoked to move on from the pokey J/70. __________ September 12, 2017; Newport, RI: The answer to racing sailor’s dreams is about to start production! Presenting the brand new, totally unique, J/BravoSierra one-design speedster! After introducing the J/105 in 1991, and turning the sailing world upside down by claiming to be the first manufacturer to offer an asymmetrical spinnaker on a retracting J/sprit, and by referring to the boat in sophisticated Euro metric numbers instead of boring imperial feet, the J/marketing team now presents its latest naming scheme, using letters instead of numbers! This revolutionary J/branding totally disguises the fact that we just enlarged our last boat on the photocopier at 107%. And because we are going to use the word “speedster” in every press release and in every paragraph, it’s definitely going to be faster. The new J/BS speedster redefines sailboat racing and shared adventure with friends and paid crew. It fulfills the growing need to simplify payroll and reconnect with those you really can afford to sail with. Strict class crew limits will ensure that no more than four crew are needed, unless there are five, and no more than three can be paid, with the other two or one able to be paid only if certain criteria, carefully enforced, are met. And in an exciting break from tradition, owners need only sit ashore and write checks: no owner-driver rules to prevent this speedster from reaching it’s mediocre performance potential! Imagine a fleet of mundane speedsters sprinting along, with owners enjoying a “dream circuit” of events that tie into regional “classic” races that everyone aspires to buy trophies for. The pros will be salivating in their black Zhik jackets at the prospect of fleecing a new breed of owners. Indeed, each new J/BS comes complete with your choice of crew gear in trendy all black, with lime green accents, or with neon yellow accents. Both colorways will feature absurdly large J/logos, embroidered and screened in many places. In another industry first, instead of being fast and light, the boat will be heavy but will look fast: instead of design development or modern materials, each J/BS will leave the factory with a stock keel and rudder painted orange! This speedster will turn heads on the trailer! Now is the time for the best marketed and most expensive per volume sailboat ever made! The J/BS speedster – the latest one-design class meant to eviscerate the current one-design class (whatever that was). Pure J/BS magic!
  9. My newest project

    I think this is the first time we've seen the pulpit/pushpit. Was there any consideration to doing those in the satin / sandblasted stainless, instead of polished? Looks great!
  10. Chicago-Mac/Meridian X MOB Recovery

    First off, respect to the Meridian team. Well done. With regard to the "quick stop" maneuver: having sailed on a planing asymmetric boat, I think I would agree that a quick stop in those conditions would be hazardous to the boat (making MOB recovery much more difficult, obviously, if you've broken something on the boat) and could easily fling someone off. Now having thought about it some, is there any validity to adding to the MOB playbook: If on a fast asym boat, blow the tack line (ensure it has no stopper knot) with an MOB event This would stream the asym back and to leeward, and slow the boat quickly but not suddenly. Helm then turns into the wind to further stop the boat which also helps with the sail take-down. Interested to hear what you all think.
  11. Elan 450. 3 or 4 cabin version (you sacrifice a separate shower stall with the 4 cabin version). Big salon and galley, wide open cockpit with Bimini so kids can play, dive, hang out. Well under budget even after shipping from Europe so you can upgrade sails, equipment and electronics. They are a little on the slow, draggy side with the twin rudder setup. Four cabin version: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2008/Elan-450-2938702/At-request/Croatia#.WWzTAIjyuUk J/Boats are not ideal for cruising longer than a weekend or in a race-type / camping situation. No storage. Especially on the 112/E.
  12. Car topping "heavier" boats

    Could you make a "rack" to flip the sandpiper over on top of the star? Assuming the star trailer axle and tongue could handle the additional load. The rack could be in two halves with rebates cut into it to take the masts in between the boats. The Burb with a 6.5l could handle the towing no problem. Does the Star trailer have brakes?
  13. Off Soundings Series and low pressure systems.

    This was an unintended race organization error, not a competitor error or even a competitor "bending" the rules to their advantage. No sailor should hold anyone else in contempt or in admiration for how they sailed the course. It is what it is. Some competitors read the course and the sailing instructions one way, and sailed it that way. They were correct. Some competitors read the course and the history of the race, and sailed it that way. They were also correct. DQ'ing boats over stuff like this does no good for the sport. Rather this should (and to some degree already has) trigger a conversation about a poorly constructed notice of race and sailing instructions. The RC and OA should let the results stand, but should send a letter to all explaining the ambiguity, while taking responsibility for the ambiguity. And should fix the language for the next event. While the rest of us should stop besmirching one another, and move on. This is a tale to be discussed at the bar, over a friendly drink. Not one to be discussed in a protest room. And certainly not one where someone's reputation should be at risk. Either as an accuser or as an accused.
  14. STC Block Island Race...who's In

    anyone know who was out taking pictures after the start? yellowish center console as i recall. thanks
  15. More United Dumbphuckery

    This "incident" is so overblown it is mind boggling. It is easy to agree that there were plenty of errors here. By United, by the flight attendants, by airport security, and by the passenger. Share the blame, there's plenty to go around. But this happened ONCE in roughly 895,000,000 times...? Do we really need more regulations? Laws? Hearings? Protests? How about, "shit, that did not go well, let's not do it again" and move on. Over-analysis by all... https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/press_releases/bts018_16