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  1. AC36 - The Venue

    Am putting little to nothing on RG’s suddenly-lawyer argument but the possibility of lawsuits is a touch worrisome. from http://www.radiosport.co.nz/sport-news/yachting/court-case-throws-new-twist-into-amercias-cup-base-row/ The America's Cup base row has taken a new twist with a claim that a court case could trip up a plan by Economic Development Minister David Parker to house the syndicates on Wynyard Point. Sail-Word.com reported yesterday that Parker's claim of saving several million dollars from the Wynyard Point option appeared to fly in the face of a Supreme Court decision. The 2016 decision found that Panuku Development Auckland was responsible for remediation costs of $50 million on a Mobil site at Wynyard Point, said Sail-Word.com.
  2. Teams?

    Reference the Deed for the correct Country context for the AC competition.
  3. AC36 - The Venue

    That rocket launch was very, very cool. Maybe they just figured a War of Wharves was the more captivating for their audience, lol.
  4. Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    at http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2018/01/22/americas-cup-italians-reveal-war-chest-venues/ America’s Cup: Italians reveal war chest, venues Italian America’s Cup challenger Luna Rossa have confirmed a massive $109m sponsorship for the next event.
  5. Teams?

    ^ Agree that conditions like this are up to Agreement. But if you’re going to be strict about nationality then you should rightly start first with the competition between countries - which is defined to be about yachts not sailors.
  6. AC36 - The Venue

    at https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/348703/america-s-cup-village-alternative-under-discussion-today Analysis - Auckland Council and government officials meet today to talk about the possibility of an alternative plan for an America's Cup village on the city's waterfront. ... Auckland Council development agency Panuku said resource consents need to be secured by mid-2018, and the village be ready for teams to arrive by mid-to-late next year. Me: no idea where this ‘fact’ in the debate comes from, given ETNZ and LR history of showing up just 3 months before matches, and given LR’s already-stated plan to do the same this time around. ETNZ may be the only team that is this eager on getting a new base, ASAP, so is likely the only party pressing that line as fact.
  7. Teams?

    The Seattle Seahawks have only ever had a few native Seattleites on the team, and have at times included players native to even other countries. Nobody cares, they represent the city while they are on the team and we celebrate them. Same with the Seattle Sounders and the Seattle Mariners. All three teams have benefitted to a degree from taxpayer support. All three also have local ownership, which is cool but may be unusual. The Seattle Sounders (pro soccer/football, owned by OneWorld’s local $B Paul Allen) have USA players who sometimes also play on Team USA in World Cup events, but here’s the thing: The WC, like the Olympics, has always mandated citizenship of some kind. As is obvious from the AC Deed, citizenship of hired crew was not a requirement, anywhere in the document. ‘Country’ extends very specifically to Clubs and to yachts ‘Constructed in the Country of.’ If you are going to make up rules that restrict sailor nationality before restricting construction (design and build, as clarified by the NYYC in the first ever IR) then you are intentionally misleading if you claim to be doing so to be ‘closer to the Deed.’ To be honest they need to, as Russell Green basically did, admit to themselves simply catering to commercialism - not to AC History or the Deed.
  8. Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    from that one, It’s a bit frightening that this pile of cash isn’t nearly enough to win the next Cup, but it’s a hell of a head start for what most assume to be the biggest threat to New Zealand’s dreams of a decade of cup supremacy. Note that this sum does NOT include Prada’s sponsorship of the America’s Cup or the Prada Challenger Series…so well over $100M all-in from the luxury design house…
  9. AC36 - The Venue

    ^ https://www.gets.govt.nz/AC/ExternalTenderDetails.htm?id=19384536 ROI for Americas Cup 36 Infrastructure Project (AC36)
  10. AC36 - The Venue

    from http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/410ba225/auckland-council-puts-feelers-out-for-construction-syndicate-capable-of-300m-waterfront-build.html Auckland Council is on the hunt for a consortium capable of delivering an infrastructure redevelopment north of $300 million that would meet the city's plans to host the 36th America's Cup and APEC leaders' week in 2021. The country's biggest local authority issued a registration of interest notice on the government's online GETS tender website, inviting construction firms keen on joining an alliance to build the necessary infrastructure for hosting the international yachting competition and associated development linked to the APEC event. Respondents have to be able to show evidence they have been involved in the design and construction of an infrastructure project worth more than $300 million and the ability to work in good faith with council, Mana Whenua, partner firms, and other stakeholders. The America's Cup component, which includes base infrastructure such as wharf extensions, berthing for super yachts, and relocation of existing tenants, needs to be completed by October 2019 and has a tentative cost estimate of $170 million subject to more detailed work and governing body approval. The associated infrastructure is estimated to cost between $250 million and $260 million, of which some $170 million-to-$180 million of marine work such as a seawall upgrade and ferry terminal redevelopment could be included in the alliance, while another $82 million of non-marine work including amenity upgrades on Quay St and Viaduct East and the Britomart east bus interchange won't be considered.
  11. Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Cheers at https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/100804827/italian-americas-cup-challengers-luna-rossa-confirm-109m-sponsorship The huge sponsorship confirms the level of intent from the Italians who are the challenger of record, working alongside America's Cup holders Emirates Team New Zealand to shape the 36th edition of the regatta.
  12. Doug, if you stop capitalizing the P you will save yourself (and others, apparently) some measure of grief over it. do it!
  13. Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    And at http://sailinganarchy.com/2018/01/22/a-nice-head-start/
  14. Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Now here too Luna Rossa, per l’America’s Cup 65 milioni da Prada http://www.lastampa.it/2018/01/22/societa/mare/sport/luna-rossa-per-lamericas-cup-milioni-da-prada-A0ZTVDFV07OHPRZKYEFvwK/pagina.html
  15. AC36 - The Venue

    Audio Auckland Council, government officials and a multinational fuel company are meeting today to discuss America's Cup Village plans today. The multinational Stolthaven has told the government it is prepared in principle to move its tanks out of the way on Wynyard wharf. However there are far bigger uncertainties about the plan, and time is running out to resolve them. Auckland correspondent Todd Niall discusses the details with Guyon Espiner. https://player.fm/series/radio-new-zealand-all-programmes/talks-about-alternative-americas-cup-village-options-continue