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Mambo Kings

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  1. Cheap, Fast Dinghy

    OMG....if you have to ask. Oh no.....did I just catch a fishhook in my lip? The OP is an 11 year old who is concerned about whether his new toy can go on the car top? If there really is an 11 year old who wants to accelerate onto fast boats, the best advice came from Midwest Mike. Get all the time that you can in your local club's 420 program, graduate to the Laser radial and look for rides in the 29er.
  2. Bull 7000 - Help

    Good Grief......you are kidding. That was you! I was there for all of ten minutes.....at the other end of the world from where I live.....and really Albany is fucking remote. I had no idea you were a sport boat sailor, we should have grabbed a beer. What are the chances? We nearly didn't go to Albany at all. It was not on the itinerary. We were driving from Margaret River via Walpole to the Sterling Range. But then I said to Jackie....I aint going to be this close again for a while, do you mind if we do a diversion , I would just like to take a picture of myself at the remotest Viper fleet in the world. She is such a sport and said yes. (But you would have noticed that she didnt get out of the car at the lower lot....too cold and windy). As I looked around at the howling wind whipping the waves off water which was coming directly from Antarctica, I saw two guys standing by the boats on the hard (in the otherwise deserted club) and I asked them "What in heck do people do for a living down here?" That was you! I think you also gave me some driving directions to the Sterling range and warned me about the grain trucks and the road. Good advice by the way. The diversion cost us time and we arrived as it got dark. A warning about the kangaroos might have been useful as well.....they sprung an ambush which we only just avoided!
  3. US Sailing Olympic Submission for 2024

    Team Racing I agree that Team Racing is an unlikely candidate in the short term (because not enough countries can put together teams). But surely its good that it enters the discussion. It is a growing part of the sport in countries where it exists. Almost all youth sailors have participated in team racing and with the ever widening dominance of the dreaded Optimist as the international pram of choice for entry level competitive sailing, most international youth sailors will have done some team racing in their career development. Its bloody good fun to watch. This may be a case of "If you build it , they will come". I dont think the Olympics is ready for it yet . I agree with the arguments that the proposed US Sailing format excludes some of the best team racing teams ...so I certainly think it is worth discussing....and I applaud USS for throwing it into the mix. I dont think we see team racing this go around. Keel Boat/ Offshore Im not necessarily wedded to the offshore component . My belief is that WS has to establish the categories first before talking about the specific equipment/class or the event (fleet racing/match racing/Beach acrobatics/offshore/onshore etc). One of the most important categories in our sport was dropped from Rio and Tokyo. Racing keel boats is one of the largest categories of sailboat racing in the world. It has huge amateur participation. Some of the very best sailor athletes in the world race keel boats, the true legends of our sport. Keel boats were in the first sailing Olympic event and were in every Olympics until Rio. The Star overstayed its welcome. It was time for the Star to go. But the Olympic equipment selection process is a political free for all, rather than an objective and systematic process.....it was class versus class fighting to keep a spot........so instead of looking for a better representative in the keelboat category it got lost in the mushy process. So before getting into the detail of offshore/onshore, WS has to decide if their should be a keelboat event in the Olympics. So if there should be a keelboat category, then offshore gets quite interesting. I dont think the offshore proposal comes from US Sailing originally. I think it comes from somewhere else and USS is supporting it (in exchange for what??) . I was not an early fan of the offshore proposal. To me, the Olympics has always been about close tactical racing and short course boat speed. But I grudgingly admit it has grown on me. Spectating will actually be quite interesting with trackers and on board cameras . Fans like endurance and the idea of two people being awake for 48 hours is kinda interesting. Also, offshore racing is a big sport with some fairly interesting characters and legends, men and women, who could participate. The biggest hurdle would be equipment cost. Although a one design might be cheaper than some nations 420 equipment (ahem pointing no fingers). But no seriously...equipment cost is the hurdle. Is it worth discussing? You betcha. Kites No contest. If WS doesnt include kites this time around, after the unholy screw up last time, then the IOC will simply reduce the number of sailing events chosen by WS by 2-4 events and give it directly to an organization representing kite boarding.
  4. US Sailing Olympic Submission for 2024

    About 25 rupees a kilo last time I checked https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/goat-manure-lendi-khat-11292487012.html If you are not interested in Olympic sailing then presumably we should not be interested in your opinion about Olympic sailing ?
  5. US Sailing Olympic Submission for 2024

    Singlehanded Dinghy: Men: Laser. Yup. Highly relevant, Highly accessible. Bit on the dull side to watch but if you have to pick one singlehanded dinghy, the Laser is still probably the right choice. The Moth would be second most relevant option (looking at the list of sailor athletes participating in the Moth Worlds) . It really has to be either the Moth or the Laser and the Laser is currently still the right boat due to accessibility to wide range of nations (Laser Worlds entrants). It should be reviewed as Moth continues to spread. Women : Laser Radial. Yup. No Contest. Doublehanded Dinghy/Skiff Whether or not the 49er is still the best doublehanded dinghy/skiff out there is open for debate. However it is right to have a Men and Womens doublehanded skiff/dinghy so I give USS a thumbs up for that. MultiHull USS propose a mixed gender multihull. I have previously wondered if there should be two multihull events, one for men and one for women. Some of our best Multihull sailors are left on the beach by the mixed configuration. But it seems to have worked so overall Keelboat The exit of the Star Class from the Olympics was like the conclusion of a Roman epic mini series. "I Claudius" or "Game of Thrones " . The Class which had excelled at back room politics and plots was finally stabbed in the back itself. "Et Tu Brutus" and the aged holder of the iron throne was finally deposed. But as the young republic celebrated, they failed to realize that they had omitted to replace the Star with a modern keelboat. So one of the largest category of sail boat racing around the globe with startlingly brilliant athletes was no longer included in the Olympics. Kudos to USS for proposing to bring back a modern version. Yes it should be mixed so a solid thumbs up for the proposal. Boards USS have got this half right and half wrong. Yes they have included board disciplines but they propose 3 events and it doesnt make sense. Its time to fish or cut bait. Kite boarding needs to have both a mens and womens category. Kite boarding can involve fleet racing, slalom and acrobatics (along the lines of surfing and snowboarding) but it needs to be two genders. So I would cut windsurfing. Sorry guys, but its time. I am a windsurfer and enjoy it but the best board athletes around are now being hauled by a kite. Teams Brilliant idea if it can be executed. Kind of like the relay does for running. Involving a team sport in sailing would be fun to watch, easy to understand and allow multi medals. Not sure that they have the right equipment in mind but I would give it a thumbs up
  6. US Sailing Olympic Submission for 2024

    I think US Sailing has produced a thought provoking proposal which tries to examine the issues of events at the Olympics in a rational way . Previously the process has been wrapped up in class based politics. I witnessed some of the politics from a sideline 8 years ago and was struck by the unhealthy influence of former Olympians and class stalwarts who maneuvered to protect their own class/equipment. The decision to drop multihulls was dumb and illogical. The decision to reverse on Kite boards and drop them after they had been selected was catastrophically stupid. (I am a recreational windsurfer and have never kite boarded but even I could see how inane the arguments were to drop kiteboarding) The lack of a keelboat at the pinnacle of our sport ....one of the largest categories of our sport everywhere else. It always seemed to me the WS/ISAF should stand back from the fray and define the key categories/disciplines of the sport of sailing and say "These categories MUST be represented....and the only debate is what is the best equipment to represent these categories? and what are the best types of event to portray this equipment? It seems to me that the Categories/Disciplines are : Singlehanded Dinghies Double Person Dinghies Multihull Board Keelboat This represents 99% of competitive sailing (iceboats would have to enter the winter olympics....and wow that would be fantastic to watch. Blokarts?) Each category should have either one mixed event and/or two separate Mens/Womens events Then within the category, equipment should be selected on the basis of Relevance, Test of the athletes (after all the medals should go to the best sailor athletes in the world), Excitement (for us the fans). The event should be a true test of the sailor and equipment and fun to watch. So how does the USS proposal stack up?
  7. Bull 7000 - Help

    and sorry for the thread drift.
  8. Bull 7000 - Help

    Yup I heard all about the Rumble in the Reach. It sounds like a crazy race in a crazy place with great spectating. I understand there were some "close calls" and that Jerwood won. http://www.viper640.org/announcement/rumble-in-the-reach-2018/ A month later he went on to win the Viper 640 World Championships http://www.viper640.org/announcement/nick-jerwood-matt-jerwood-and-matt-de-vries-crowned-viper-640-2018-world-champions/ Beating yours truly. Anyway we really had a great time meeting all of you WA sailors and hanging out in Perth .Just an incredibly hospitable group of people. We cant say enough good things about our time there. So after the racing was over, we postponed our return flight, grabbed a road map and took off for 2 1/2 weeks. One of our stops was to see Valley of the Giants Tree top walk. We pulled into this sleepy town called Walpole at 9pm (well after last restaurant closed) grabbed a motel room and woke up to find a town full of sailors because it turns out we had coincided with Regatta of the Trees (which I had never heard of before). So we went out for a drive/walk around the point/knoll and got some great views of the sailing. Which was why I thought I recognized it. And the Valley of the Giants was pretty bloody spectacular as well. We swung by Princess Royal sailing club in Albany the next day and after getting virtually knocked down by a gust just getting out of the car I could see why folks like Murray Howson are so damn good in heavy wind sailing. Fun trip.....one of a lifetime. If anyone has not raced sail boats in WA then you should go because you only live once.
  9. Bull 7000 - Help

    Hey Solvi, Can I ask where those pictures were taken? It doesnt look like Perth (but what do I know?). From the trees, I wondered if it was Walpole....but where would you launch a keel boat in Walpole, I thought Regatta of the Trees was dinghies. We were in Australia for the first time in February for the Viper 640 Worlds in Perth. After the regatta we toured WA for a while. Jackie has fallen in love with WA and wants us to move there or at least spend winters there. She even liked the local population. I wouldnt go that far but I would agree that the sailing is pretty spectacular.
  10. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Safe ? Yes......but they are trying to shed the "Granny" image. And emphasize Rugged,....Tough....Swedish Luxury.....The vehicle bred in the Arctic circle
  11. Wrecked racer spotted adrift. Who can ID this?

    Sounds like some young Russian guys are missing. It seems odd that nobody from SA would be posting that they saw Gonnagitcha in Caribbean. No rescue and no distress call. Nobody reported missing.
  12. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    whoop whoop
  13. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    who is on helm of Brunel
  14. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    "Live Commentary starting soon" and just a 3d tracker. Sigh!
  15. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    ????? Its not over. Still racing As far as I can tell.
  16. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Brunel stopped and slatting sails....DF still moving and closing the gap with a dark patch on water to leeward of Brunel. Oh no.
  17. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Oh No....bloody music and commentary
  18. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Link to live coverage?
  19. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    I say, "Let them paddle"
  20. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    This is not good news for Brunel who are stuck to NE of DF right now. BUT Brunel moving again and Df stopped
  21. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Nothing Neti can't handle.
  22. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Time for Burling to earn his check.
  23. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    6 NM to go....making between 1 and 2 vmg. I dont think they want to pay for Live coverage yet. Us lot find it incredibly exciting watching two boats crawl across a calm. Not so much for the great unwashed
  24. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Course 344 degrees? Bouwe, Itajal first not Newport !
  25. VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

    Can you see the boats from where you are