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  1. Chimp too

    Showtime capsize on return trip

    It is no coincidence that the VO70 rule required solid steel fin structures with no welds and the VO65 and IMOCA OD fins are forged and milled with no welds. Also interesting that the Rambler 100 fin broke where a crack found in milling of the forged billet was ground out and welded over. It is also interesting that some moan about the ISO/EN rules when prior to them we all relied on ABS (AMERICAN Bureau of Shipping) rules and no one complained (too loud). DNV-GL, RINA or ICNN will provide certification worldwide, as they did with the Showtime keel designed and built in Australia. Not really a big hurdle to deal with in this day and age.
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    Brexit WTF, WTF

    Anyone watched NYET! Movie? Bloody funny! https://nyet.film/
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Or be a really bad welder in the marine business!
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    WS have been looking into in build validation for several years, but the level of bureaucracy and costs for an industry where margins are already tight isn’t adding up. Steps are gradually being taken though
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Not right now as not got my laptop. Do a search on the WS website for plan review
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    ISO 12215 only applies up to 24m. So is used by the notified bodies up to that size. Each cert shows the body used. There you will see who is recognised, although that has been reviewed in the last few years and reduced as not all Notified Bodies have personnel with the appropriate knowledge and experience for race yachts.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    At the moment we assume that there is no more evidence or info than we have seen on this forum. Let’s wait and see if the inquiry can establish anything else from interviews/service history/QC documents, then we will see. But if no more than we see here, I agree and would suspect that the report would conclude that there was insufficient evidence.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Funny how this place wants to take anecdotal evidence and without qualification, carry out a Sailing Anarchy forum inquiry. But when an MNA decides to commission a real one, everyone shouts and screams. Jason, this is all supposition from you and drawing conclusions from a position of a conflict of interests. I would provide what you know to the panel carrying out the inquiry and let them write the report and provide recommendations from a neutral position. If what you say is correct then it is a possible scenario, but I don't think that you have enough to suggest this is conclusive evidence. Let's wait and see what the three experts appointed find out.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Under 24m use ISO 12215 and get plan approval from any one of a number of WS recognised Notified Bodies (not just DNV-GL). Over 24m the only recognised standard until you get up to commercial vessels is the DNV-GL rule which Hasso wrote.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Nope
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Nope, we are talking about finding out what happened to Showtime. The MNA has commissioned an inquiry as the event organiser decided not to. We are hoping this will mean we see a report and get to learn from it. I don’t give a fuck about AS and all the Aussie bickering and winging. I just want to see someone other than the insurers look into it, so we can learn
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    World Sailing establishes the Plan Review process by which racing yachts are required to meet the ISO 12215 structural standards which they were previously exempt from. This was overseen by the then Tech Manager Dr Jason Smithwick, previously of the Wolfson Unit and very highly respected. It was also done with the agreement of DNV, GL, RINA, ICNN who certified this standard. Currently this area is overseen by Hasso Hoffmeister of DNV-GL, one of the most highly respected people in the business, who also wrote the 24m plus race yacht structural rules for DNV and sits on the AC rule management team. want me to go on? stop being so fucking paranoid. 1. AS have commissioned an inquiry, they are not doing it themselves. 2. The purpose of any inquiry is to establish facts and give recommendations, not point the blame. 3. Showtime was designed to comply with the WS plan review process and held the appropriate certification. 4. The modified keel design also had the same certification. Even though outside of the ISO environment (shock, horror!) 5. The report will be made public, unlike any insurance findings. 6. Any recommendations that might help prevent this happening again will be shared with WS so that if the rules need updating and/or helpful information can be shared throughout the world to help prevent a repeat. 7. It isn’t a conspiracy to wreck sailing and steal your children or their toys.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    The purpose of any inquiry is not to point blame but to give recommendations to try and avoid a repeat of the incident if possible. then again, I threw my tin foil hat away years ago. Maybe others should try it.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Ever had any direct involvement with World Sailing? I have and do on a regular basis. Ever told Stan Honey or Will Apold that the committees they chair are a waste of time? also, this is not a private Inquiry, it an inquiry by a Member National Authority of the world governing body.
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    Showtime capsize on return trip

    Actually all AS is likely to do is forward the report to World Sailing and let them consider it and hopefully we all learn rather than just point fingers.