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  1. Sorry. Not BaliCAT. CataThai 52 Light. Simple, light, long, strong composite, daggerboards, comfortable, livable for $462 NEW http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2016/Catathai-52-3056674/Phuket/Thailand#.Wxaz33MpCdM
  2. Thanks for the input. Yes the 1190 Sport does have that appeal of skinny water exploring with raised rudders as well as daggerboards. And I like the layout as well so got the spreadsheet options list from the dealer here in the states and upwards of $650 with full kit. Same goes for the Lucia 40 and Leopard 40. Spoke (emailing) with Phil Berman of Multihull Company/ Balance Cat and watched all his video's as well and loved the 526 but not in the same ballpark. One take home message that stuck with me. If you can afford 10 more feet of LWL without adding the rest of the condo in accessories it's a lot cheaper than building in carbon and just as fast.. So that's why the STD and Light 55 stuck out. Yes it's a lot of boat but I plan on living aboard and keeping it as light as possible. Me and my dog. GF if she's lucky.. Like the older Catana 52 but drastically more expensive. TS 50 also but $800k. Made my own spreadsheet from MD and sorting by LWL/Bh as well as Base Speed has been really enlightening. Wish we had some more recent data for comparison but in reality I don't think I really want any of the more recent boats as they've all trended away from performance and Hull Beam ratios have only increased steadily until you arrive at what I though was amazing, reading CaptStu on Cruisers' Forum about the New Leopard 40. "One of the worse sailing cat's ever experienced... Looks like a brick and sails like a brick". We've gotten to the point were demand for luxuries and accomodations have completely overcome the capacity of the boat to even balance sails in LIGHT winds. Amazing because before I started digging deeper the Leopard 40 was probably at the top of my list with the Lucia for comfort and affordability. Now my priorities are changing as my knowledge is expanding and the older designs.... long, thin, light with decent visibility under decks are at the top of my list. 1.3m draft in a 15m liveaboard that can beat 8 knots to windward if you need to means a lot more than just a party platform for the weekend that I can't take anywhere if the weather isn't perfect. Sad when you think about it because builders are going in opposite directions. If you want what most of us are looking for they either aren't building it anymore or they're only building in carbon and excluding us at the price point... How many 15 year old Outremer, Catana, Crowther, Grainger, Atlantic's are left secondhand out there. They're almost no Aussie boats on the East US Coast.. it's a shame because it'll probably take another decade for design and demand to turn attention back to an affordable liveable safe fast 50 boat under $500k like the BaliCAT. Snapshot of part of the spreadsheet below
  3. Nevermind, '93 Outremer 55 STD $385k I think I'm in love
  4. Nevermind... '93 Outremer 55 STD $385k I think I'm in love
  5. Hello Everyone, First off, excellent responses to Pepito’s plans. I’m Mitch Taylor in Stuart FL. Joined Pepito's thread a little late so started another just in case nobody was still on that one, not exactly sure how it works. If it's better to continue his thread then someone just erase this one. Just joining the SA forum for the first time (first Sailing forum ever actually) and looks like the best place, after many years of reading/ research, to find help. I’m on nearly the same path as Pepito though medical background, still practicing, with kids still in Middle school; but divorced, living alone now. The younger two, 11 and 13 will hopefully be living with me aboard a 35’ish monohull in the next year, then 42’ish cat in another 2 years. I’m self taught so far sailing a 17’ Watkins Daysailer (first sailboat) in the St. Lucie Inlet which has been great fun and invaluable experience. Just sold it for probably a F18 next step up. Then plan on persuing certification for Catamaran Cruising ASA certifications. My angle: I’m not ashamed to admit I'm a “spreadsheet” guy, trying to narrow down the field by SA/D and D/L ratios, etc., for a performance designed but liveable used, well built Cats in the 39 to 48’ range. Budget is similar to Pepito, but I’d like to keep the initial purchase in the $400k range for upgrades and surprises as I’ve read repeatedly overextending is maybe one of the worst first mistakes. Even the new 40's fully equipped are pushing $650k. And I would love to not take the hardest hit of depreciation with a new boat purchase. Therefore in reality what I guess I’m loofdsking for is most likely a 10 year old 42’ cat well balanced, performance to comfort, Owners version…. Earlier French, Australian, S African...Schionning, Grainger, Outremer, Catana, Lightwave, Nautitech, Fountaine Pajot, Seawind, Leopard? Would love a new Balance Roger Hill 451, but don't want or need a new boat. Can anyone point me towards previous threads, or books, blogs, personal SPREADSHEETS would be great!, etc to “analyze” the field? I know numbers can’t accurately describe the “feel” or value of a great boat or even make fair comparisons of boats with different strengths. There is no fast comfortable affordable boat. Every boat is a compromise for everyone’s priortities. Australian Multihull World Article by Joe Goddard seems to be on the right track http://www.multihull.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=97:buying-a-catamaran&catid=19&Itemid=101 but the graph didn't make the article. I emailed them and they replied with the graph below. MultiHull Dynamics has certainly done a lot of analytics but they can’t or won’t provide it in a spreadsheet format to view the entire database with adjustable variables, I’ve asked. So I'm comparing two at a time. I’m just trying to organize thoughts and create a list outside my head, that I can reference and share with notes of strengths and weaknesses so I can begin ranking favorites and thereby keep an eye on the market for what might pop up in the next couple of years. Surely I’m not the first. Favorites so far are Leopard 39 and 43 and SeaWind 1160. Love the accessibility of techniks on the Leopard for maintenance. As well as the semi raised bulkhead helm. Broad enough hulls to carry a reasonable liveaboard arsenal but not super heavy. Windows work, could be better. Good Sail plan. Would like the forward cockpit on the 44... Thoughts? Thanks, Mitch Graph.jpg.pdf
  6. Hello Everyone, First off, excellent responses to Pepito’s plans. I’m Mitch Taylor in Stuart FL joining this thread a little late. Just joining the SA forum for the first time (first Sailing forum ever actually) and looks like the best place, after many years of reading/ research, to find help. I’m on nearly the same path as Pepito though medical background, still practicing, with kids still in Middle school; but divorced, living alone now. The younger two, 11 and 13 will hopefully be living with me aboard a 35’ish monohull in the next year, then 42’ish cat in another 2 years. I’m self taught so far sailing a 17’ Watkins Daysailer (first sailboat) in the St. Lucie Inlet which has been great fun and invaluable experience. Just sold it for probably a F18 next step up. Then plan on pursuing certification for Catamaran Cruising ASA certifications. My angle: I’m not ashamed to admit I'm a “spreadsheet” guy, trying to narrow down the field by SA/D and D/L ratios, etc., for a performance designed but liveable used, well built Cats in the 39 to 48’ range. Budget is similar to Pepito, but I’d like to keep the initial purchase in the $400k range for upgrades and surprises as I’ve read repeatedly overextending is maybe one of the worst first mistakes. Even the new 40's fully equipped are pushing $650k. And I would love to not take the hardest hit of depreciation with a new boat purchase. Therefore in reality what I guess I’m looking for is most likely a 10 year old 42’ cat well balanced, performance to comfort, Owners version…. Earlier French, Australian, S African...Schionning, Grainger, Outremer, Catana, Lightwave, Nautitech, Fountaine Pajot, Seawind, Leopard? Would love a new Balance Roger Hill 451, but don't want or need a new boat. Can anyone point me towards previous threads, or books, blogs, personal SPREADSHEETS would be great!, etc to “analyze” the field? I know numbers can’t accurately describe the “feel” or value of a great boat or even make fair comparisons of boats with different strengths. There is no fast comfortable affordable boat. Every boat is a compromise for everyone’s priorities. Australian Multihull World Article by Joe Goddard seems to be on the right track http://www.multihull.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=97:buying-a-catamaran&catid=19&Itemid=101 but the graph didn't make the article. I emailed them and they replied with the graph below. MultiHull Dynamics has certainly done a lot of analytics but they can’t or won’t provide it in a spreadsheet format to view the entire database with adjustable variables, I’ve asked. So I'm comparing two at a time. I’m just trying to organize thoughts and create a list outside my head, that I can reference and share with notes of strengths and weaknesses so I can begin ranking favorites and thereby keep an eye on the market for what might pop up in the next couple of years. Surely I’m not the first.. I'll start a new thread with this as well. Just in case this on is too old and nobody sees it. Thanks, Mitch Graph.jpg.pdf