Curious

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  1. Would you have the same attitude if someone here expressed racist or anti-Semitic views? Would you expect only people from that race or religion to object?
  2. Since the Aussie men win gold using supplied equipment it’s clear it’s not the boats. And since the Aussie women have never got an Olympic medal it’s clear that any supposed winning edge for Aussie sailors must be restricted to the men. I wonder how the boats can know what gender their sailor is?
  3. Curious

    Finn Class making friends?

    Sad to see a once great class become so hypocritical. They whine about how unfair it is that Finn sailors will lose their Olympic spot, then propose that male windsurfers suffer the same fate. They claim that the Games should represent the sport, but then whine about the huge number of yachties getting two spots, which leaves them grossly under-represented. They ignore the whole concept of being fair to sailors of all weights for decades while it suits them, then hypocritically bang on about it once the tide turns against them. Oh, and One point five, arrogant fuckwits like you can stick your moronic childish “anorexic” insults where it hurts most. Arsewipe
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    Flying Fifteen: the boat for everyone

    He was sailing (and loving) them in the 80s, with the old Greenwich fleet. He also hacked one up with a lovely high aspect keel and rudder, racks and 18 Footer rig. Used to love it planing past us on Another Concubine in the CYC winter series
  5. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    Anyway enough of watching squirming from LB, someone who has flung lots of abuse but can’t take any flak. It’s been interesting but rather pitiful to watch someone who can fling shit but can’t take it, but I’m off sailing.
  6. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    Definitely not Aspergers or anything like that. I just don’t like would-be bullies.
  7. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    So let’s get this clear - you abuse people post after post, but then whine when other people make allegations? Why are you so sensitive now, sweetie?
  8. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    Recidivist, I was pissed off at your untrue statement that I was an authoritarian. People who know me would laugh themselves silly at that. It may well have been OTT to call it a lie and I will withdraw that statement, but if you are going to try to label people they will hit back. As far as over-reacting goes, it’s possible - but this is SA. It’s a place where people get excited and rant. The other thing is that a lot of what has happened seems to relate to abuse of volunteers - something that I strongly believe should not go on unopposed. And finally, this is clearly annoying someone who is a petty vicious bully on this forum, and it’s interesting to see how they can dish it out but cannot take it
  9. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    This stuff is disappointing since I have always respected you. Now you start slinging stupid insults, silly psychoanalysis and lies. No, the point is that I am NOT saying when due process is required. The RRS, cases and club rules say that. You are the one claiming to know when it is required and that you are the All Knowing and that the RRS are wrong.....not to mention the legal system. Apart from everything else, due process can be basically impossible in a small club. Try finding someone with no bias; who is willing to go through the system; who knows due process; who understands Briginshaw and Veal; who can make it apparent that they have followed due process; and had the time We cannot bind the sport up with more red tape and lawyers
  10. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    So you think the jury should just ignore the rules?
  11. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    The point is that the rules are simple - as the US case states the club’s powers to exclude an entry are almost infinite, as long as the exclusion is not based on factors like race or religion. Therefore there is no need to put up any information to decide if there is a right to exclude. Under the rules there is apparently not a shred of doubt that the right to exclude exists Yes, the way the RRS are written if someone complained about the beer they could be excluded . Has anything like that ever occurred? Not as far as I know Given that AS has to apply the rules and the fact that the rule seems to clearly allow a club to exclude someone, what should they have done in a situation like this? It seems that they had little choice but to follow the rules and allow the exclusion. The alternative could have been AS saying “fuck the clearly written rules, fuck the club’s wishes, we will do what we want.” Do the critics of AS really want that?
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    Australian Sailing

    As noted earlier, you cannot 69 someone if they are not a competitor at the time. Someone could call the pc a bunch of drug smuggling wife beaters on the take, but if they were not entered at the time then 69 does not apply
  13. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    “Due process” is not always required. In this case I think you’ll find the club rules specifically say there is unlimited discretion when it comes to day membership etc Due process is vital in some areas of life, but it can be unnecessary and unworkable in others
  14. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    Oh you hypocrite. You spill abuse here and then whine when any comes your way. You made no official reports about the things you whine about here. For you to say I should is just one more example of your hypocrisy
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    Australian Sailing

    Volunteers on the protest committee were abused. If someone is going to do that then their entry should be rejected as it would be in other sports
  16. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    Nope, I’m not an authoritarian at all, and I see many shades. The SA rule I referred to is the one against outing posters. The Code of Conduct is one I can’t give more information about without breaking the SA rule and getting a lifetime ban. I don’t know why you’re assuming due process hasn’t been followed. The two main strands seem to have been satisfied.
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    Australian Sailing

    Yes, it’s easy to look up. The rules give unfettered discretion to refuse or revoke visitors, without giving a reason. There’s also rules about sailing as a guest. You are assuming that the club’s reasons are churlish. They could also have had little legal or ethical option.... People could have asked the club to change their mind. They could have sailed elsewhere. Instead they broke the rules. If they broke the rules then it is hypocritical to whine about the actions of the club or AS. The club and AS followed the rules.
  18. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    “The other side” include people who are deeply involved in this. Because of SA rules we cannot say exactly what that involvement is. In the other thread they have been talking about the issue, insulting people and demanding information - yet they won’t provide information themselves. In the RQ cat protest thread some of the same people made allegations that may well have been defamatory and breaches of R69 as well as Codes of Conduct. They did not follow due process there, so it is hypocritical of them to demand they receive due process in this matter. My bias is that one of them has behaved on SA in a vicious, bullying, dishonest and vile way, and I’m enjoying them get what they deserve. That’s all.
  19. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    I think there were calls for open discussions and answers from AS and RQ in the other thread and the FP piece. The point is that If they have to give answers, then so should the other side.
  20. Maybe other people did not make the same sort of allegations. Members also normally have more rights to use a club than non-members. It is reasonable for a club to say that a certain action is not serious enough to have a member excluded, but serious enough to have a non-member excluded. After all, if you want to be treated like a member you should become one. So the decision to exclude someone in particular can be seen as reasonable because of their status. Once that person has defied the club’s direction not to sail, the issue becomes quite different. How can a club deal with someone who will not follow rules and is not a member? How can they fulfil their duty of care if they let someone who will not follow the rules into the regatta? If he breached one direction from the club they will look like fools if they trust him again. Try defending that if another incident arises and a volunteer is subject to more abuse.
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    Australian Sailing

    1- What process is there that deals with someone making unsportsmanlike comments outside of competition? 2- if a club’s decision to ban you from club racing initially is the issue, then deal with that. Do not do what the club tells you NOT to do and then complain when they take action because you chose to break their rules ?
  22. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    Because the competitor did it repeatedly here on SA.
  23. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    What hypocrisy. You spend hour after hour slinging shit and hate around here, much of it at RQYS, and then you whine and throw a tanty when people ask questions. I made no threats. You on the other hand throw slurs and insults all the time but complain when any return fire comes your way.
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    Australian Sailing

    Still no one will answer the simple question about whether the non-competitor was involved in the abuse of the same club’s officials and volunteers, and if so, why a club should cater for them
  25. Curious

    Australian Sailing

    What dog do you have? What about CC? What about LB15? Why are people demanding some answers but not giving any answers?