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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. Brits? I don't think it's Brits. The seriously wealthy don't much like OD. Huhwhat? Every billionaire in the sport is in one-design. Torborn just won the RC44 worlds, Larry did it a few years back. The Devos' spent half a decade in the Melges 32, (which they said was way more fun than their handicap racing boat) before getting into the Marstrom 32, and several kings and princes have been or are in the GC32, M32, Farr 40, or TP52, which has such a narrow box that it's pretty close to OD. Even those with offshore handicap boats have tended to race one-design for their fun. See Robertissima for instance, or Zensstrom, or Goranson - all winners of major RORC races in their 'big boats', but plenty active in their other 52/44/32 fleets. The pom super wealthy are perhaps different? I'm sure they could have designed something faster than this...too much wetted surface. Like what, for example? I can't come up with a faster production 40-footer...you know a secret? I don't know, I'm no designer, but the boat should have less hull in the water downwind. Look at the Melges 32 (I hope Scot doesn't read this) it's a very nice boat, but it could be better, as good as the boat it was inspired by (the Melges 24)...I'm not saying that there's a better 40 out there...all I'm saying is that the Melges 40 should have been better than it is...its lines aren't just radical enough. You are obviously not a designer. The melges 32 is an extraordinarily quick boat for a 30 footer as is the melges 24 for a 24 footer. Just because it doesn't "look" radical and new doesn't mean it's isn't quick... Did you even fucking read? I've sailed the 24 for many years, nobody touches the 24. And I didn't say the 32 wasn't a great boat, but I did say that it could be better. It's just like the Huracan, it's a great car, but slap a supercharger on it and it's even better. I hope this clears it up for you halfwits out there.
  2. I don't know who you are, but I'll tell you this much: I've never babysitted for pigs with you, nor have I had a beer from the same mug with you!
  3. Brits? I don't think it's Brits. The seriously wealthy don't much like OD. Huhwhat? Every billionaire in the sport is in one-design. Torborn just won the RC44 worlds, Larry did it a few years back. The Devos' spent half a decade in the Melges 32, (which they said was way more fun than their handicap racing boat) before getting into the Marstrom 32, and several kings and princes have been or are in the GC32, M32, Farr 40, or TP52, which has such a narrow box that it's pretty close to OD. Even those with offshore handicap boats have tended to race one-design for their fun. See Robertissima for instance, or Zensstrom, or Goranson - all winners of major RORC races in their 'big boats', but plenty active in their other 52/44/32 fleets. The pom super wealthy are perhaps different? I'm sure they could have designed something faster than this...too much wetted surface. Like what, for example? I can't come up with a faster production 40-footer...you know a secret? I don't know, I'm no designer, but the boat should have less hull in the water downwind. Look at the Melges 32 (I hope Scot doesn't read this) it's a very nice boat, but it could be better, as good as the boat it was inspired by (the Melges 24)...I'm not saying that there's a better 40 out there...all I'm saying is that the Melges 40 should have been better than it is...its lines aren't just radical enough.
  4. Brits? I don't think it's Brits. The seriously wealthy don't much like OD. Huhwhat? Every billionaire in the sport is in one-design. Torborn just won the RC44 worlds, Larry did it a few years back. The Devos' spent half a decade in the Melges 32, (which they said was way more fun than their handicap racing boat) before getting into the Marstrom 32, and several kings and princes have been or are in the GC32, M32, Farr 40, or TP52, which has such a narrow box that it's pretty close to OD. Even those with offshore handicap boats have tended to race one-design for their fun. See Robertissima for instance, or Zensstrom, or Goranson - all winners of major RORC races in their 'big boats', but plenty active in their other 52/44/32 fleets. The pom super wealthy are perhaps different? Melges have fucked up...they chose the wrong designers for their boat. To me, Botin's lines are dull..I don't know, but this boat just doesn't get my blood rushing like it should...they could have done a lot better with a 40...and I'm sure they could have designed something faster than this...too much wetted surface.
  5. The Peerless is a great boat no question about it, I understand it mounts a Melges 32 mast? This boat's mast has been custom built by Avantgarde Composites (Lake Garda) and is a full 1.14 m taller than the mast of the Melges 32. This will smoke the Peerless on a lake.
  6. Sure these boats are fast, the late and great Giorgio Zuccoli clocked the outright record on the Centomiglia in 1993 (which stands to this day) But your comparison is completely nonsensical, liberas are huge dinghies, not keelboats. What would you say if I compared a libera with an AC72 and said that that's a powered up boat? Again, a little bit of common sense is needed here.
  7. waste of time
  8. That didn't take long did it? LOL The thing looks like a complication to me, 4 foils, 4 wands, a canting rig...these frogs are crazy...I'll stay ashore and have me a cup of coffee.
  9. Built in Naam? Good luck with that... .
  10. Polaris, looks like those rumors are about to take shape in the real world! As posted by Germany's counterpart of Sailing Anarchy, spotted at Düsseldorf Boat Show (the Ed was there too - so he knows - and says nothing): http://www.sailinganarchy.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Mel40_2_18.jpg
  11. I've spotted these boys out on the lake more than once in 25 plus real gusting 30 to 35, and though you don't get huge chop in these conditions you're still bound to see 1.5 meter waves, so it's not exactly what you'd call flat (although flat is the prevalent condition on this pond). I'd trust this boat to make it through a Chicago to Mackinac, but then again, maybe the real world would prove my trust misplaced. The boat's been sailing in this configuration for 15 plus years, and it's still in one piece (considering that it's seen some windy days, I'd say that's quite an accomplishment).
  12. The M32 is fully powered up in 8 kts of wind. How about this turboed M30? I can't give you an exact number on that, but having seen them sail, I know that all it takes for them to disappear in the distance is a light breeze, and they're also very fast when it blows hard.
  13. The 32 is already pretty dialed up. Not sure where the fuck you would fit the extra bodies to flatten it in the breeze. On the rail, duh?!
  14. I finally got hold of the official ORC rating certificate from the owner, so I don't have to make things up, here are some of the exact numbers for you (dropping in the specifications of a Melges 32 for comparison as well): Melges 30: GPH 542.3 Melges 32: GPH 537.2 Mast 32: 14.62 m (above deck) Mast 30: 15.76 m (above deck) Pole 32: 2.43 m Pole 30: 3.08 m Gennaker 32: 119.7 sqm Gennaker 30: 147.82 sqm Main 32: 40.63 sqm Main 30: 48.49 sqm Jib 32: 22.5 sqm Genoa 30: 35.08 sqm Draft 32: 2.13 m Draft 30: 3.05 m Melges 32: 1712 Kg Melges 30: 2343 Kg
  15. I've heard this as well...but did Melges themselves put this rumor in the air, or was somebody wishing they'd do a 40? I don't know the answer to that.