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  1. prettig

    rs aero vs low-riding scow moth

    I recently bought a laser EPS (skiff) about the same handicap as an Aero 9 (I race them at the club, pretty close). Most of the time we go foiling, we take the Skeeta and the EPS (and swap on the water). And most of the time there are aero's on the water as well. To answer the question (now I can really compare), in displacement mode: - An Aero is faster in displacement mode (the EPS is faster then the Skeeta in displacement mode), but not much btw - The Skeeta tacks easier than an EPS - An Aero or EPS points better (quite important in race) - Waves...... the skeeta does not like them (wide bow), slows you down (but maybe I just don't know how to sail a scow hull correctly) As mentioned above, make a decision or buy both. A Skeeta is a foiler. An Aero is not...... putting foils on an aero will not make it better than a purpose build foiler. Watch this video...... Skeeta is still quite fast if it does not foil:
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    I took some Skeeta lessons (4 x 1 hour), most important points I learned: - first windward is your friend (forget leeward, just stop and get it flat or windward ) - get up on the foils (beginners): beam reach, flat boat, get some speed, bear off a bit, go up, heel windward and sheet in - it's more like a roll-off-roll-on movement............ roll off the wind and roll on to the wind - The roll on is like rolling into the apperent wind (it's pretty instant, so sheet in fast). - First time I felt the sail "hanging" on the wind was the "aha" moment, just hang.....nothing happens, windward you can just drag through the water and still get up, just keep it windward. - Exercise: do not try to foil (wand almost down) and try to sail windward and keep going (even if you are half submerged), you will feel how much control you have windward. - on foils: sit still (on edge off tramps), sheet first, than body and last rudder (micro movements) - Light winds: sit back (more angle and less pressure on front foil), once going up......move forward fast to level the boat (or you will dive !). This training did help me a lot and still learning......
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    I am the living proof ....... not true at all. My first ever dinghy was the Skeeta, never sailed using a tiller (my biggest issue btw...... do not touch the damn thing). This is my 4th year sailing and I am 56 years old (after 3 years sailing a hobie adventure). Foiling is way easier then everybody thinks. Apparent wind in a foiler is easy ....... you feel it moving (like on a bike). This year I bought a laser EPS (just for fun) and way more difficult to feel the apparent wind. I struggle more in the EPS than the Skeeta. You need some feel for the wind in your sails and have a good feeling for balance. I tried a Waszp as well, could not even sail it, Skeeta took me an hour and up on the foils (just short 10 seconds runs). Now I just foil straight lines, bring it down and turn (still slow, but who cares..... just a matter of time and I will get it). Will I ever be competitive..... nope, but not my goal. Most sailors need to get rid of leeward sailing and hicking habits, I do not and was up on the foils way faster then my sailing buddy's (all lifetime laser sailors). The big difference is marginal conditions...... they foil and I "search" for wind. But enough wind, you always have enough pressure in your sail to foil (not rocket sience). Am I the exception, maybe..... but several inexpierenced sailors tried my Skeeta, most just do it pretty fast. Kids will probaly pick this up very fast. If you can sail a bit, just try the Skeeta you will be amazed how easy it is.
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    That's why a beginners foiler or someone that is a beginner in sailing needs a foiler that can sail in displacement mode. They do not yet have this complete control. Not all foilers are expeirenced sailers (you do not need that skill level for foiling).
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    I am forgetting one important thing........ as a beginner displacement sailing is really important (my above post was a bit incorrect). Not just for sailing but mainly for tacking and gybes. As a beginner you will do this in displacement mode. I just realised this after I went out (completely forgot). You foil and then you try to "land" it to make a turn. The landing can be fun as well and than a stable boat is a big plus. If you mess up you have all the time in the world to get ready for the next run without flipping over.
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    Depends..... I just don't go out foiling if the wind is marginal or too strong. I have another boat for that. Just convenient that it can sail in displacement mode (UFO and Skeeta are both fine for that). But I foil on a smaller lake, if you have to sail considerable distances I would love it to be able to sail in displacement mode (saves a lot of energy and frustration). Most just don't buy a foiler to go displacement sailing, you go for it and get wet a lot......... part of the fun (water get's behind your eyes).
  7. prettig

    best new foiler for beginner?

    https://melges.com/skeeta-nikki/
  8. prettig

    best new foiler for beginner?

    USA pricing, Nikki and Skeeta from Melges available (several peopel asked for it): USD 6750,- and 11.100,-. Very competitive I must say (in Europe they are more expensive). https://melges.com/request-a-quote/ (select the boat type).
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    Surreal .....
  10. prettig

    best new foiler for beginner?

    I don't know but send them an email (attn. Jim). I know they are working really hard to get more distributors and they are already shipping boats wordwide. I got mine (skeeta) directly from them as an end customer, they will work with you to get one. And maybe they are already talking to a US distributor.....
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    The new Nikki:
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    We (my sailling buddy and I) would be interested in what wind ranges you guys foil. The Skeeta can foil from 5-6 knots (9m sail), but we are not good enough yet (we get it up but can't keep it flying), so we start with 7-8+ knots and with the 8m sail we have been out several times in 15-25 knots already (surprisingly easy) just goes damn fast (still learning to control the speed). Up to 20 knots is ok, above is challeging.
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    First I find it really brilliant that the UFO team designed a good and cheap foiler with "limited" foling design background. Waszp and Moth designers have far more expierence and these boats are around for years already. Skeeta, the designer (dr. Ian Ward) has a moth designing background and glidefree has been designing foils for years. But I agree (not that expierenced yet), foiling most can do (especially on a UFO, Skeeta or Nikki). Gybes and tacks on foils just takes a lot of time. Skeeta Gybes look pretty easy (but the people doing it are pretty good sailors), tacks with a Skeeta can be done (Jason Belden did it......but no surprise, a competitive Moth sailer). I guess for most of us it will take a year or so to manage foil gybes. That's fine, we need some challenges in life. So back to real life: this weekend I go sailing the skeeta for the frist time this season and not even thinking about trying a foiling gybe (just trying to stay dry and fly)
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    And to be fair..... it can be done with a UFO (still convinced...... would be easier with more room on the front/under the sail).
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    best new foiler for beginner?

    I think you can if you (or ufo) changed the shape of the sail. Cut of the front part that goes down to the hull. During a gybe/tack It forces you to go to the back with the weight on the rudder (you don't want that) and you cannot look forward (seeing were you are going). I watch the video's and they all trying to roll fast over the back of the hull (unstable) completely blind trying to gybe...... not ideal.