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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Stopped for taillight, he had warrants for unpaid child support, he ran officer chased him, they wrestled, guy broke free and ran again, officer attempted to use his taser, they wrestle again and bad guy gets taser at some point, officer was hit by one barb of taser in leg, bad guy drops taser and runs, officer shoots him some number of times as he runs, officer thenot broadcasts that the suspect took his taser and shots fired. Officer walks to suspects body, realizes taser isn't there, walks to where taser was dropped and places it near the body. Officer lied, then video showed truth, officer now going to jail.
  2. Battlecheese do you know that the other officer didn't say something or that he even saw it happen? Because I haven't heard anything about that either way and if he did know it happened and didn't say something then I agree he should be at least being reprimanded and possibly fired. But if he did say something after the fact then he did his part. I don't know the rank of anyone involved in the incident but it would be a pretty tough situation to see a senior officer do something like that when you are brand new. Something better to address at a later time with a supervisor rather than at the scene. Once again, not making excuses for either of them. I believe based on the video and what I have seen that the officer who shot made a mistake. He violated the 4th amendment rights of the suspect. He used deadly force to stop a fleeing felon but did not have facts he could articulate to justify that deadly force.
  3. No the guy who ran from the police and then fought the officer did not get resurrected. And yes the officer made a mistake under stress, a horrible one and he will now face those consequences. Plea deals happen daily. This is actually a pretty harsh one. I have arrested so many people for truly horrible stuff that gets plead down to nothing. Rapists that take a plea deal for assault and they never see a jail cell. Drunk drivers that grt the first 5 offenses plead down to minor traffic offenses then wind up killing someone on their 6th offense. This ex-officer wasn't a life long criminal, he was someone who had spent many years helping his city. Don't take this as me defending his actions, he messed up, no question there. But he deserves the same thing from the justice system everyone else gets.
  4. Yep sounds like he is getting a long jail sentence. Based on the facts and more than anything his changing testimony I think that is reasonable. I believe a manslaughter charge would have been reasonable also but prosecution will take what it can get.
  5. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NfEb1cXFN0fV7dTsvI8qmNs0XxmZUTa_KMlZ7PAZcjg/htmlview Document showing all the officers shot this year. Note the blue ones are the ones who died.
  6. Well yes they have, they are looking at other methods. Realistically he will get life in prison.
  7. The grenades have to be deployed by the launcher. You can drop them all you want without any danger. He will be tried and they are going for the death penalty.
  8. Well technically, we used "powder" we deployed impact OC 40mm grenades. They have a foam tip and when they hit any object the impact causes a large cloud of pepper spray dust to fill the air. Generally makes life really miserable.
  9. No doubt things were bad, and could still get better. I am doing my part tonight. I am at the YMCA participating in Friday night Full Court. Basically a time for 14-18 year old kids to come play full court basketball. I am in a "police" tshirt and play basket ball with the kids. Most of these kids are from the low income area surrounding my city. I have arrested several of the kids in the room. But this is my way of trying to connect with these kids. I give up two of my friday nights to do this and all I get is 1.5 hours of comp time. But let's hope it helps.
  10. It made a few national news stations but only briefly. Police all over the country are shot on almost a daily basis. Most survive thank fully but it is rare that the incidents make national news. The asshole that shot this officer had been in a shootout with police prior to this incident. He spent 6 months in jail before being released for the previous incident. The officer shot was the model officer, active in his community and truly what an officer should be. I knew him well but some of the guys I work with had grown up with the officer. That makes two officers I personally knew who have been killed this year. Tell your son to be safe.
  11. In Logan County oklahoma a deputy I knew from training was shot and killed about two weeks ago. He was serving an eviction notice and one of the people at the house decided to shoot the officer. The suspect then stole the officers vehicle, drove to a gas station where he car jacked another woman. It was about that time that the multi-jurisdictional SWAT team I serve on got called out. We were in the right place at the right time to be the team to take the suspect into custody. He had holed up in a shed, we used gas deployed through a launcher to make the shed miserable for him and he then surrendered.
  12. Looks like a fun day!
  13. Start eating now! Rush Creek is my absolute favorite place to sail and this will be a great event.
  14. While I agree this is ridiculous I will tell you that right when I started with my police department we had three targets we used. They are all printed on a target sized piece of paper but they are "actors" who are holding guns in a threatening manner and then have scoring rings printed on the picture. The first one was a white man holding a knife, the second is a white woman holding a gun, and the third was a black man holding a gun. Our city attorney came to the range one day and it just so happened that while he was there we were at the point in the stack of targets where about 2/3s were the black male. After that he recommended that we stop using that target because of possible perception. So now we no longer use the black male targets.
  15. There was a camera man filming the whole thing. If there was a camera man, there were others as well. It wasn't quite as life and death as it might have been. I am not denying that being a police officer is a difficult often thankless job but the video you linked might not be the best example to illustrate your point.Ed, that is from a show where the incidents are broadcast "live" with a camera man and usually one other person who work for A & e. They are instructed to only help if the officers ask for it. That was 100% as life and death as it seems. A gun in close quarters like that is terrifying. I talked to the officer just a bit ago and he is pretty shaken up by the whole thing. His wife watched it before he could call her about it. How often do you think that kinda thing happens without cameras? I have been there and so have many other close friends of mine