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  1. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Precisely. But I don’t understand how is it possible to think about him as a spokesman. It’s pretty clear in all the interviews that the he has build the team and is the leader. And it’s like this from the SF Cup.
  2. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    IMHO, Max Sirena is doing an awesome job. He have both sailing and managing experience. He started his career in the America’s Cup as a sailor in LR and grew manager with OTUSA, where he was in charge of the first wing development. I think his best quality is that he’s a great person. Of course he has a “Core Group”, it’ s like the Board of a financial society, he can’t make all the calls alone, without speaking with the key people of every department.
  3. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Hi everyone ! Back here with a new Max Sirena interview! Missed you guys, it's some time that I don't post anything. https://www.milanoyachtingweek.com/events/in-diretta-da-auckland-max-sirena-di-luna-rossa-prada-pirelli-team/ I'll report here only what Max says, as usual. - When LR retired from the Bermuda Cup, Max joined ETNZ. He says that LR gave support to the Kiwis, giving to them asset, technologies, and the boat the Italians were testing. Bertelli told him that if ETNZ would win the Cup, he was going to make another effort. When the Kiwis won the Cup they asked Max to stay, but obviously he wanted to return in LR, and he did it. - He immediately started working on the organization of the new LR Team. He was "on holyday" with his family, cruising in the Mediterranean Sea, but he was always speaking with someone on the telephone, and sometimes he had to stop in a port, jump on a plane, and go to talk to someone somewhere (he names Palma di Maiorca, Valencia, England) trying to sign the people he wanted. - Asked on how to build a team, he answers that first things first you have to define a budget and the headquarter location, so the financial and bureaucratic issues. Then, like in a Formula 1 team, you have to sign the best designers, because sailors are super important but the best crew in the world can't win the Cup on a slow boat. He mention some of the very first people he called onboard: Horacio Carabelli, Andres Suar (Max says that he's the naval architect and that he developed the radical LR boat shape) (edit: he's name is Andres Suar Vulcano on the LR website) , Martin Fischer, Mario Caponnetto. He signed not only the designers but also all the key people that would be part of the Core Group, which is the group of people that - with Max - make the calls on what strategy and what "philosophy" the LR team should follow. Max mentions also Gilberto Nobili, saying that he is one of the most important people in the team, and they (Nobili and Carabelli) help a lot Max in the Team management. - After he got the Core Group members Max started searching for the rest of the team. He says that he personally interviewed all of the other 100 people, discussing also salaries and contracts. He wanted to know the people that would be part of the team, and he says that you can understand something of a person also in the bargaining phase, because these are not "normal people". He was speaking with the very best in the world, and the best you know them, the easier is to work with them. - Asked about the ideal LR team member features, he answer that some of the people are chosen for their technical skills. He mention again Gilberto Nobili and Horacio carabelli, sayng that they are not only very technically talented but also that they are very motivated and they "make things happen". In the Cup, Max continues, you do a schedule every day, everything is highly organized. Since you don't have time and so many thing can go wrong (from small things like a piece of the boat equipment that arrives three days later to the bigger ones like Covid) you need people that are ready to adapt, to change the schedule, and make things works. In an ideal world, he says, you want your team mates to be the most talented, the most gentle, the best to work with, with the best attitude. Obviously, sometimes you can't find this "dream people", so you have to prioritize. Design people, for example, must be the most technical. It's to him make them work together and in a pleasant way. For the sailing team, instead, when they searched for the younger ones, they searched obviously for good sailors, but they had to have the right mental approach. Asked about what is this mental approach he's searching for he says that he want proactive people. People that can work for the team. That put the team before themselves. He says, joking, that sailing every day everyone become a good sailor, so especially for some roles what is really important is the attitude. - Asked about if there was someone that he wanted to sign but couldn't, he says that no, he got all the people he wanted, and some more. The "some more" is Jimmy Spithill. Max says that he didn't call him, but he knew him and Max was expecting his call, so he say that he was smiling and happy when he saw Jimmy's name on the ringing phone. He adds that he's really happy of all the people he have in the team. - Entering in new Zealand is difficult at the moment. Only Cup people of Movies people are allowed to enter the country. They entered in different groups, the last one is expected today. He - with Carabelli and Nobili - was in the first group, they work all day in the quarantine. - The team is rock and loaded. They want to start. The Base is almost finished, the "technical part" of the base will be ready for 1 october. Boat 2 arrives 4 October. Boat 2 splashing is expected for 16 October. First sailing with B2 is scheduled for 16 October. - He's really confident on what they have. Not only the people, but also the boat. Boat 2 will be a step forward of Boat 1. He says that B1 is performing very well, Ineos and AM B2s will be similar to LR and ETNZ B1s. LR boat 2 will have a lot of "small differences" that will have a huge effect in performances, it will be similar to B1 but at the same time different. he feels ready, he feels the team is ready. They finished the design part, but now they have to decide a lot of things (he mention a call with Caponnetto about foils and rudders). There's still a lot to do. In a 1-10 "bullet effect" he says they will start with a 7. He's confident they will improve a lot in the Prada Cup. They never sailed against another AC75, but from what they saw about the other competitors, he's happy and proud of what they did. He adds, joking, that time will tell if he's right or wrong.
  4. Zaal

    SailGP 2021

    I expect a lot of interest on SailGP after that Tenet by Christopher Nolan will hit the screen.
  5. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    https://farevela.net/2020/06/03/americas-cup-che-coppa-sara-diretta-4-giugno-2130-ospiti-bruni-e-vascotto-commento-tecnico-dalbertas-pinucci/ Since there are not so much news in these days, here's an old interview of Vasco Vascotto and Checco Bruni with the Italian Guys, Vittorio D'Albertas and Pietro Pinucci. @Xlot had already posted the translation when the interview was published, so it's not hot news, but it's interesting anyway. There was some serious audio issue, so sometime it was a problem to understand what they were saying. The interview is dated 3 June. If you find other old (or new) interviews in Italian that you want to be translated on this forum feel free to ask, I'll do my best. Enjoy ! - (Bruni) First training after the lockdown went very well. They are sailing consistently, the conditions are perfect in Cagliari. - (Vascotto) They keep improving day bay day. They know that they are on the right direction on many things. - Asked about the Ineos keel, Bruni call it a "bad copy", joking. He agree with V. D'albertas that it's similar to the Moth's keel. - Asked about if he wanted a bigger mobile/adjustable portion of the foils, Vascotto answer that there are different types of foils and different philosophies about it. Some foils are better for going fast, some for take off and manoeuvring. He says that it's like learning to ride a bicycle, some decide to start with the small wheels at the sides, some try to ride the bike without them and go as fast as possible. It is possible that the different foil design will be more similar on B2s, but it is also possible that this won't be the case, and who decided to go fast straight away will be faster. - In light wind conditions (6-7 knots) it will be difficult for the AC75 to stay on the foils for the entire race, because they are a lot heavier than the AC50. The big difference with the Bermuda Cup is that you can't change the foils the day before the race. You have to do a certificate 5 days before every competition phase (Round Robin, Semi final, finals, America's Cup), so you can change something on the boat only between these stages. So you have two choises, go for an all-around boat setup or gamble on a specific wind range set up (which is very risky). - Prestart will be with the boats already foiling entering the gate - The simulator is really good, not as good as the real thing but a lot of solutions were tested on the simulator and they usually worked. Bruni says that you can't win the Cup using only the simulator, nor using it too much, but you can't win without it neither. - Vascotto is very happy about the decision of LR core group (edit: as far as I know, Max Sirena, Gilberto Nobili, Spithill, Horacio Carabelli are part of the core group) to stay in Sardinia for the summer, because the sailing conditions are perfect. Since it's impossible to forecast the entry rules in NZ, they decided to stay in Sardinia until the last moment. He says that AM was forced to go to Auckland (since in Pensacola it is now the hurricane season) and that Ineos did the wrong thing going back to UK, because the Solent it's not such a sailing paradise like Sardinia, where he already had a base. - About the two helmsmen configuration, Bruni says that they are the only team capable of it, and it could be a great solution to have two "double crew", one at each side of the boat since aerodynamics is everything. They didn't decide yet to use it or not. This configuration (now is Vascotto speaking) it's not easy, another team can't copy it in a short period of time, since it require a lot of training. He says also that this configuration allows to use all the talents of the crew. - Both Vascotto and Bruni says that the AC75 is an incredible boat and that the regattas will be amazing to watch. - Vascotto doesn't like the boundaries, but he aknlowledge that they are useful in keeping the boats near, and that without them it would be difficult also for the televisions taking wide shots of the two boats. He jokes that in case of a separation they had to go on the Moon to take the shot, since the boat are so fast. - First regattas will be focused on doing manoeuvers right without errors, specially on the start. The boundaries set a limit for the strategy. - Pre start will be similar to the Bermuda edition, but upwind, so it will be more exciting since if you fall off the foils it won't be so easy to get up again (and the opponent fly away). - Bruni says that the boat is hard to helm, not only because they require a lot of precision but also for the position and the splashes. He says that the AC75 is similar to a gigantic moth. - Vascotto says that they are really happy about the boat design. From what he heared in various interviews he thinks that other teams will copy LR design, but he hopes that since they were the first they will be some step forward anyway. - Again asked about the Ineos keel function, Vascotto answer that only Ineos designer can answer. What he saw was that the UK boat lost a lot of speed every time it touched the sea, so maybe that's the keel main function. He adds that it's important to be humble, because every team has the very best designers and sailors. There are some things on the other boats that they don't understand, and they don't know their purpose. - Every team has 4/5 different size for the headsails. The main difference is the size, they work all at the same wind angles, so they have quite the same features. - Sails are the only exceptions to the 5 day certificate rule, so you can mode the boat by using different main/head sails. - The Rule requires the sales to weight a certain amount of kg, so if you are using a main/head sails configuration that weight less you have to add the remaining weight, and you can put it on the center line of the boat. Vascotto tells that what really change the weight of the sails is the Code 0, if you don't use it you have to add 90kg of weight, it's the only ballast yu can use to change the weight distribution on the boat, you can decide to put more weight in front / on the back of the foils. - The limit for the AC75 is not the wind, but the waves. With 4/5 meters of wave you can't sail, that's why ACE chose 4 different location for the regattas. Some are more distant from the coast, that is worse for the viewers but better for sailing, since they are more protected spot. - The Protocol doesn't set a wave limit. It's a decision of the Race Director to eventually cut off the race. He can choose to move the race to another spot. - Vascotto is sure we will see dry-lap ragattas from the start.
  6. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Also, I'm thinking something, I'd like to know your opinion on that. In the double helm configuration I think we're focusing only on the Spithill / Bruni double role. What if there are others double roles in that configuration? Maybe there will be also two mainsail trimmers, one for each side, changing role, so when one is trimming the mainsail the other one is grinding, adding power or doing something else.
  7. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    New interview to Bruni and Bertelli for the Italian television. You can find it on LR Facebook and Instagram pages. Bruni - every day of sailing is really precious. They keep learning a lot, the boat performances improve day by day. They feel well prepared, but it's never enough. Guazzini (skipper / journalist on board on one of the chase boats) - in a few weeks the team will go to Auckland. Top speed is more than 45 knots. Bertelli - You can feel how fast the boat is going from the outside, not onboard. The boat is very stable, so you don't feel the speed when you are on it. Average speed of the chase boat following LR is over 40 knots. First time onboard LR he thought what Leonardo Da Vinci would think about this kind of boat.
  8. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Here the translation: - In September they’ll go to AKL, they don’t know the exact date yet - About his role, he confirms that they tried a lot the double helmsmen configuration, but they’ll confirm it / change it later - AC75 are incredible boats, capable of 50+ knots of speed, so the event will be great to watch
  9. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    The tell - tales. Finally found it, sorry guys ! MS, Bruni, Vascotto, they all tells how important is to control the “vortex” of wind that it is created in that aisle between the sails.
  10. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    You are right. What I wanted to say is that maybe the 2 helmsmen setup was designed because of the closed sail /hull gap. From what I heard in the interviews, the gap must be closed not only to achieve the best performance but also to avoid turbolence of the wind in the aisle between the headsail and the mainsail. That’s why all the boats have - sorry, I don’t know the precise world - those little white things attached to the low part of the mainsail to see the wind flow. They look at those (again, sorry) things by the leeward side to check for the correct wind flow.
  11. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    https://www.yachtingworld.com/americas-cup/ineos-team-uk-grinder-david-freddie-carr-interview-ac75-sailing-127246 Ineos will have a different crew approach than LR, according to David Carr, Ineos grinder. One helmsman and tactician on board. He doesn’t mention a flight controller. There’s no much space in the UK boat to switch side for helmsman, tactician and trimmer. I think LR firmly believe in Totally closing the sail/hull gap, and maybe this boats are so fast that you can’t loose that 3/4 seconds swapping side during manoeuvres. We’ll see
  12. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Yes, Max talked about 49/50 knots made with 18 wind knots. Interesting that they seems to confirm the double helmsmen set up (without Max saying it clearly though) but they don’t talk about the fligh-controller.. maybe JS and Bruni will switch that role? Or maybe there won’t be a flight controller ? Max talked about a system that helps flying the boat, adjusting the flaps of the foils automatically (but I have to double check this, this aren’t his precise words). He said also that this is a system developed by LR and that some Imoca teams are asking for a version of it (he was asked what technology developed for the AC75 could be used on other boats in the near future). By the way, Max talked breafly at the news today, he said only that they have 3 weeks of hard work and then they will go to AKL.
  13. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Here's another great interview, this time with Max Sirena. From bowman to Team Director and skipper of LR, he won 2 AC : one with OTUSA with JS and RC with the trimaran (he was head of sail design) and one with GD and ETNZ. He talks about how he started in the Cup: he helped assembling America Cube just bought by Bertelli to start the first Luna Rossa campaign. .Then he talks about America's Cup and AC75, here what he says : ( I will only report his words and signal every time it's me commenting) . - LR strongly wanted the upwind start to make the pre-start circling crucial again (ETNZ wasn't so sure about it). They are developing a very advanced software to help them in this fase. - They train with a speedboat that can "clone" the same speed and the same acceleration of LR, to simulate the behavior of another AC75. - With the IACC they tested the boat sailing in a straight line for hours, trying to gain half a node more in speed. AC75 instead need to get "stressed" to be developed. The boat isn't stressed when it's sailing in a straight line, but when performing takeoffs, tacks and jibes. The development of the boat is made primarly doing complex maneuvering at high speed, not in straight line speed tests. They do that too, of course, like when they damaged the mast: they were doing a 35km downwind trip. - About LR failures, he explain that there are two approach building a boat. You can make the boat "bulletproof", so you are sure anything can't be damaged - but you end up having a very heavy boat - or you build a radical boat at the edge of the project's limits. Since they had time and wanted to test also the simulator and the building process, they decided to go radical, since there is always time for adding wight, but taking it away is far more difficult (edit: my personal idea is that they started with foils so small for the same reason, to learn sailing the boat with the most difficult - and faster?- foils aviable. Max doesn't say that, this foil thing it's just my opinion). In order to have the best performances they had to push the boat to the limit. Everything is done with the most precision and accuracy, but you have to take - calculated - risks. Of course they didn't want to break the mast, but they were testing something new, something the boat wasn't 100% ready for, and they needed to have some feedback asap. If you want to win, he explain, you have to take risks. He make two examples: 1) with ETNZ they broke the foils one month before the start of the Louis Vuitton Cup. 2) When he was head of sails design with OTUSA they developed the famous wing sail of the trimaran because they broke the "traditional" mast. The wing sail was ready, but it was so huge, so complex and so new that they initially decided against using it and to go with the normal sails. One day performing a test (he says that it was a very similar test to the one they were performing when they broke LR mast) they destroyed the mast in 3 pieces. So they went with the wing-sail, and he says that without it Alinghi 99% had won the Cup. - Getting information from / spy the competitors is very important, but you have to stay focused on your design ideas. They changed 48 hull models on the simulator before starting the building of B1, the first were similar to the Ineos boat. They are very interested about the lenght of the foils and of the rudder of the competitors, because the lenght of the rudder can give you incredible speed gains. They watch what the other teams do, but they always have to think if some innovation made by some other team can be useful on their boat. - Having Ineos in Cagliari was useful to watch how their team works, their daily routine, to see in how much time they put the boat in the water and how much time they needed to get the boat ready for sailing. They sailed in the same body of water only one time (the famous one) and there were some distance between them, 4-500 m leeward -windward. He says that the sensation was that they were faster, a lot faster, but that wasn't a speed test, it was only 2 boats sailing in the same body of water, so it's not reliable. LR was sailing a lot farther offshore, where there was stronger winds, and that's why they had a smaller headsail. Both AC75s were coming back to their bases. There was the said leeward - windward distance, so it's possible that LR had higher wind pressure, but they were quite happy when they returned to the base. Joking, he add that if he had to choose a boat, he would pick LR without a doubt, and that he thinks that Ineos sailors would take LR too. He expect Ineos B2 to be a lot similar to LR and Te Ahie. - Asked by the audience about the speed of the AC75, he confirms 49 knots made with 18 wind knots. 50+ knots will be made easily by the time of the Cup. The great difference with the AC50 is not the top speed, but the average speed. In the famous video where LR is sailing in the choppy sea, they had 42 knots of average speed for 8/9 minutes with a 24-25 knots Scirocco wind. - He confirms that the tactician works before the start. - LR B2 will be not so different from B1. He expect also ETNZ B2 to be an evolution of B1. - They have some new things ready for B2, they had to show some ideas in B1 (like the hull shape) because even the best simulator can't match the information you get from the real thing, and they needed to test the hull and sails. - They sail bow down to close the gap with the water and create a ground effect. The shear lines are lower at the bow and at the stern, and higher at the center. This "boomerang" shape helps with the aerodynamics of the boat, allowing for much power in the sails. Sailing bow down (he calls it pitch down) also helps in taking the rudder more out of the water, adding speed. The overheeling attitude create more righting moment and simulate the same effect that some trimaran (he sailed a lot with Frank Cammas) had with the canting rig on the mast. It gives a lot of power to the boat. - The LR TP52 campaign was not so great, he thinks that maybe they made a mistake to partecipate because they were all thinking at the America's Cup. - Weight is crucial. Taking 30 kg off the boat you can gain up to 1 knot of speed. Every sailor must stay on a target weight, and they have different crew combination based on their weight. Helmsmen (I noted he used the plural) and mainsail trimmer are on a stricly diet to loose weight to allow more freedom of crew combinations. - One of the top speed he can talk about is 50 knots made with 18 knots of wind. He says that anyway AC 72 were a lot more difficult to sail, since there were less instruments to control the boat. - The most "dangerous" situation for the AC75 is jibing downwind, because in order to avoid the keel to touch the water during the manoeuver they raise up the boat. They don't clos the gap between the keel and the sea anymore. Doing this you can stall the rudder during the rotation. He says that that's how ETNZ capsized in the famous episode, and that Ineos also did that. They didn't do it with B1 (although they went near) but did it with Little Moon. - The top of the mainsail have a sort of airbag that increase the buoyancy, so if the boat capsize it helps a lot. - The double mainsail is now so advanced that it's as good as the wing-sail in terms of performance, but a lot easier to manage logistically. - It was LR idea to use the cyclors on the AC50. They bring it to ETNZ when LR retired.
  14. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Still wondering the starting crew of LR. Any ideas?
  15. Zaal

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    https://www.sport2u.tv/sail2u-con-vasco-vascotto/ Here an interesting interview with Vasco Vascotto about LR and his role in the team. Basically, he says that: - They doubted from the start that a tactician would be on-board on the AC75, the boat is too power dependent. The tactical decision are made before the start, so he is the tactician, but probably he won't be on-board. - This Cup is such a technological leap forward from the previews one that he wanted to be part of it to learn how to manage this new boats, and create a gap with sailors out of the Cup circuit. - He didn't sail a lot on LR, he was onboard only at the first stages of development. Every minute is crucial, because AC75 are hard to sail and sailing time is not huge (they get out for training 2-3 time per week, in a good week, at first) so they train with the people that will be onboard on the Cup. - He's not only tactician but also the manager of the sails development, and it's better for him to see sails performance from outside the boat. - The boat is very stable. They sail faster than 40 knots without perception of such a speed. It's like drivig a Ferrari or a McLaren, cars that go easily at 300Kh/h, so if you drive at 250Km/h you don't realize the speed until you watch the speedometer. - At first the main focus of the boat development were hull and foils. Now they put a lot of resources on sails development, since it's a key part of the boat and they found great ways to develop it. He makes important calls deciding what line of development can work, and how to make it work in time for the Cup. - Challengers and Defender will meet only ten days before the Prada Cup, so although every team can see the boat design of the other competitors there's no way to understand what really works. He jokes about the fact that the designers have different ideas but the computer also must read those ideas differently, because the teams endend up with very different concepts. He says great things about LR design team, and he' sure that they are on the right way of design, but also the competitors have top designers, and they designed different concepts, so it will be very interesting Cup, and designers will be fundamental, since there are only few one-design parts on this boats. (sorry for the word repetition) - The AC75 are so new that there are a lot of leaks in the Rule to develop the boats. - The boat go faster day bay day, they have to decide a fair trade off between the speed and the risks to get that speed. - He wanted to be part of this Cup not only to use all the knowledge he get in the Valencia Edition (he was tactician on Shosholoza) but also to learn how to manage a Cup campaign - He's very proud that the sailing team is all italian + JS, that is now italian by adoption