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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. Don't forget we are mainly sailing on our leeward c-foil at sufficient speed and the horizontal winglets on the rudders take maybe 1/6 of the load(rough guess). The c-foil is what carries us across the troughs on the short stacked waves. I actually found it more difficult to drive in the more spread apart swell versus the upwind current squared chop that we had for most of johnstone strait. Sounds weird but it was way easier to get the boat to foil from crest to crest as they were only 15 feet across. The balance of the foils kept the boat relatively steady through that period and I'm certain a stock m32 without rudder winglets would have been chopping wood much much worse. In the more ocean style swell it took more severe angle changes in steering to keep the hull in the water which meant more active trimming to keep everything steady. The apparent changes so dramatically going up a wave versus going down it. And there is only so much you can do with the tiller at that point. Plus the crew gets worn out quickly working the main sheet and traveller when they've already been on the clock for 30 something hours. Anyways, my point is that the m32 is very different then a foiling windsurfer and our speed approach to relative wave/swell size is much different. But nothing beats dead flat water and lots of wind for either setup. Why don't you bring your windsurf setup next year? Could be a good run!
  2. I think another part of the slamming problem upwind in Johnstone St is that we were sailing the boat too flat in those conditions. But to really explain the motion take a look a the video of Mad Dog Racing going up Johnstone Strait (~27 sec into video) That looks very similar to what we were experiencing....albeit slower of course... but launching off of one wave and slamming down on the next with both bows. If we could have powered up and flown a hull more consistently in these conditions I believe we could have knifed through a lot more of the rough stuff, but we were having trouble in the gusty conditions keeping the power consistently on. I think with quite a bit more time sailing and tuning we can do a better job of flying in these conditions. But it also seems like there is a component of the rig/sail weight that we are fighting in these conditions. It is a lot of momentum up high trying to complete a roll/ continue the bows pitching forward that must be absorbed.... so lighter aloft would help the motion quite a bit too. I can see where you think a softer gust response rig would be cool! Same thing happens with our 40er ULDB if I'm not steering to the wave valleys, especially above 7 knots hull speed, if the bow has been lifted at speed, but the bow is not involved very often, mainly the hull in the 2nd 5th of the front part of the hull. When the bow falls down on chop, usually it slices any bumps it falls on, which is why I asked mr perry during her design for more v up front, although it lowers the cp some, but that only helps if I can feather up enough so the boat is upright enough so I'm landing on the v rather than the side of the hull. (That, and she's a light air flyer.) Which is more what is happening in the video with the cat on both hulls. Hard design trade off, especially racing, when higher prismatic is a faster thing, Especially from mid hull back, where most of the lift of mad dog on top of chop seems to be happening. Be interesting to hear from the Hobie 16 after the race. So I'm hoping that the relatively narrow v'd hulls of the L7 might take some of the slamming out of a chop. Nice thing about a Gunter, if it breaks I hope the mast doesn't go with it, so iterations don't break the bank- we'll find out! The M32 is definitely more comfortable when one hull is up and flying clear of the waves. However, in the video we're sailing pretty flat and getting pounded. We could have powered up more but the gusts were nasty. Worse than that we would have been sailing much faster (possibly 50% faster) and while we would be on one hull, I think we would have launched airborne off every wave and slammed down even harder. After the helicopter left we took in a second reef. Lowering the CE helped a lot. No loss of speed and much less pitching. Hey, Randy, just wondering how much the weight of all the gear challenged you in both performance and comfort level in sailing (I know weight can get a little sketchy on smaller beach cats with big wind). I'm sure you were well adjusted to it by the end (and it was getting lighter), but just wondering how the M32 is influenced by the kind of weight you had to carry to get you through the race. Also, did you feel like you took about the right amount of stuff, too much, or too little? I can let Randy answer more specifically but we were never over-weight. I believe when we did our final pack-up in Victoria we were near 50lbs shy of our usual one-design weight. The M32 is not designed or built with lots of extra wiggle room in it's engineering limits so we decided not to push it. Otherwise we would have taken 10 sailors and a cook!
  3. I think another part of the slamming problem upwind in Johnstone St is that we were sailing the boat too flat in those conditions. But to really explain the motion take a look a the video of Mad Dog Racing going up Johnstone Strait (~27 sec into video) That looks very similar to what we were experiencing....albeit slower of course... but launching off of one wave and slamming down on the next with both bows. If we could have powered up and flown a hull more consistently in these conditions I believe we could have knifed through a lot more of the rough stuff, but we were having trouble in the gusty conditions keeping the power consistently on. I think with quite a bit more time sailing and tuning we can do a better job of flying in these conditions. But it also seems like there is a component of the rig/sail weight that we are fighting in these conditions. It is a lot of momentum up high trying to complete a roll/ continue the bows pitching forward that must be absorbed.... so lighter aloft would help the motion quite a bit too. In those shots we weren't lacking enough power to fly the hull higher. I was keeping the boat from launching too hard and keeping the rig as steady as possible in all dimensions. As soon as you start flying the hull to high you lose to much righting moment in the gusts and then you are flying the hull relative to the surface of the water(unsteady) and not to planet earth(steady). The consequence is bad VMG as we were going upwind in a narrow gorge with massive amounts of upwind current. Best not to reach from side to side if it can be helped. It's okay for the windward hull to touch the water as long as you keep the right load balance between the foils and sail to maximize your speed forward. And keeping your rig steady side to side really helps with this.
  4. I'm not going to sit here and argue that this event was good for sailing if everyone else thinks the 18s are dated and it's not worth St. Francis YC's time anymore. Especially with those who haven't benefitted from or at least experienced what this class provided.
  5. It's sad that they are not going host this event any longer because of financial reasons. Makes me wonder what we paid $600 per boat for 4 days of racing. When did $600 per boat become not enough money to run a low key 4 day dinghy regatta? I know the permitting with the city for crissy field isn't cheap, but still. It's a shame to just give up on such an amazing event that has a profound impact for the youth on the west coast and beyond to move up the ranks in high performance sailing. It's just shutting down another pathway. (Found the edge)
  6. I sailed the event this last week on White Lighting. There hasn't been a whole lot of press about the event but it's not really Clean's fault. There were only three days of scheduled racing over a 5 day period. St. Francis yacht club could barely give a shit that we were even there and only 10 or 11 boats were registered (only maybe up to 8 sailing at any one time). The only folks who really cared where the competitors who mostly came from New Zealand and a few dedicated people behind the scenes, who make this event happen each year. The awards ceremony wasn't much to fuss over and the mood was generally sour over hearing rumors that St. frantic won't host the event anymore. I sure hope this wasn't the last SF 18 Footer event..
  7. Im still stuck out of town and don't have many great pictures on me. One of the funny stories I'll always remember about the life size plastic replica of Boxer guard dog. He was closing a business deal over purchasing a large amount of road paving equipment for his company. There were millions on the line but he saw this plastic guard dog at the equipment manufacturers office and decide he wanted it. After agreeing on prices and nearly signing off on the deal, he demanded the Boxer be included. After lots of intense negation, my grandfather walked out with the dog and a lot of paving equipment. He's had that damn dog my whole life and today it's still hanging out at the end of the driveway. Bamboo could be a serious business man but he sure liked to have a lot of fun on the way. There's more stories I'm working on remembering from my youth. I think I even remember some that involved strippers..
  8. Bamboo is my grandfather and one of the biggest inspirations in my life. It was quite an experience growing up around him and I'll never forget how he put me through college and always looked out for his grandkids. Even though he was sick for some time, it's still hard to imagine the world without his massive presence. He had been working on a book over the years, chronicling all of the crazy stories he's accumulated over the years. The last I saw it, it was just massive folders full of handwritten papers and many notebooks. I'm hoping to go through these and help finish what he started, at least for his friends and family. I'll be sure to share to extra great ones with you guys.
  9. Not a big race on my radar but I'm trying follow along with some friends that are out there. I have put in a solid effort to try and follow the live tracking. It appears this year that they are only using AIS signals from the competitor's own units instead of regatta owned GPS units. It seems more then a few boats have lost signals and are not showing up on the tracker. Anyone else following along or have any goss on the racing? http://yb.tl/links/channel2015 http://yb.tl/Leaderboard/channel2015
  10. All the broken masts in Miami SWC happened from fully inverting the boats in less depth water then the height of the rig and having maximum cunningham. The TWS when all those rigs broke exceeded 25 knots and no mast broke while standing up like you try lead readers to believe Macca. I was there, but obviously more involved in the process since you seem only intent with shitting on this discussion. Are you here in Palma right now? Were you here when it was gusting above 40 knots? We were on a special course area for the Nacra racing only. If any of you have spent anytime racing in Palma, you would know how diverse the bay can be as far as wind conditions go. The only reason even 10 boats finished that race is because of the level of talent and sheer will power some of these guys have. Nobody died luckily, but any past or present Olympic class dinghy in those conditions would have suffered the same or worse. I believe there are some area's that the N17 can be improved of course but it is still the best boat for this category compared to the Tornado/F-18/F-16 and also way more fun and challenging to sail. Also I think the N17 is cheaper then a 470 and 49er/FX..
  11. I should elaborate then that the 15 is clearly less powerful then the 17 but that two guys heavier then your average Olympic team were able to get it going surprisingly well in light and lumpy conditions. It will be a great boat for the younger and lighter junior sailors no doubt.
  12. Took it out for a spin after the last day of racing. It was a bit light and choppy and I was sailing with another fella but was surprised how quickly it would still power up. Not all that different from the 17. Just smaller and more simplified. I like the trunk set-up better on the 15 though. My only real concern is the rudder horizontals. The shape is not quite right for lifting and of course they are much too small for the weight of the boat and crew. It provided some definite fore/aft stability at speed but you could also feel the drag in the helm. I would recommend either a whole new set-up and design or just keep the standard rudders. I mean, if everything else stayed the same, I bet you would actually see a performance increase by going back to the standard rudders. Well anyways it looks like I'll head out to Holland soon and do some more development testing with them.
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  14. Looks like a cool boat up close. A bit more simplified in some ways then the 17's. The horizontals on the rudders look just big enough to provide more pitch control but I reckon you won't get all that much major lift out of them. The dutch boys where just rigging up for an evening sail while everyone was heading to the opening ceremonies so no comment yet on the performance but it has all the potential to go fast I reckon..
  15. The beef is getting critical mass of boats anywhere but the EU... lets see.... we have the Hobie Dragoon.... then the Nacra SL16... then an F16.... Now something else again...... Oh... and of course... an occasional use of the Hobie 16 with spin... This is just a silly transfer of money from parents to ISAF and builders...and can't possibly grow the sport of cat racing... . It's tough enough to grow the sport through kids programs...changing youth boats AGAIN makes no sense. So making false statements and accusing Nacra of selling "dangerous weapons" to kids is meant to grow youth sailing in multihulls? Can you explain that please? And what's a junior sailor going to prefer, an outdated F16 or semi foiling Nacra15? Do you want to develop youth sailors or hold them back on slower and older boats. Imagine if you were 16 years old and could campaign on a smaller version of what you see your sailing hero's on. Get over yourself because it's not about the money. Bashing the development of youth sailing boats is a sad and slippery slope. In the US, old yacht club farts decided the 29er was too radical and investing into the FJ and club 420 was the right choice for junior sailors across America. Well the rest of the world passed us by and everyone wonders why there was only one American on the final Oracle race team last year.