allweather

Members
  • Content Count

    48
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

4 Neutral

About allweather

Profile Information

  • Location
    baltic

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. allweather

    H-Boat vs. Hinckley Sou'wester 30

    That is the standard mount we have too. But it is offset by 20cm as opposed to closer to 80cm. As Panoramix said, I am probably overthinking the issue. Biggest challenge is fitting things as a napkin sketch has shown the relatively greater freeboard and small hatch makes things... interesting. Maybe a telescoping shaft? That would be somewhat less elegant depending on how exactly one does it, but seems like an easy fix for something that would then disappear below hatches and out of sight again. Simplest I can think of is using one of those adjustable brackets trolling motors use. Bolt it to the arch that covers the distance from the hatch to outboards and the actual adjustable shaft then through it. Somewhat more elegant would be a proper telescoping one, but I still puzzle over how to best achieve that and keep it simple to avoid any hassles.
  2. allweather

    H-Boat vs. Hinckley Sou'wester 30

    That's brilliant! Why haven't I seen this concept ever before? Neatly gets around the need for cutting a hole in the hull and preserves the clean stern. We all know it is about that stern Wonder how it could fit on the H-boat as the geometry is a little different. I need to get some cardboard to test it out right now.(well, when I'm back at the boat in a week.) Could be a bit of a problem to figure out how to protect it from getting piled on as stuff thrown into the lazarette would invariably tend to drift towards it. But let's see if I can make it work. Certainly looks a fair bit more elegant than the other options I have been looking into. Any concerns about the off center axis the prop would be at? Compared to one at the aft directly it is somewhat more outward.
  3. allweather

    H-Boat vs. Hinckley Sou'wester 30

    Just realized the worse part. .You'd need to be careful with the lifting straps as the aft ones are in the vicinity of any potential pod drive.(just saw one boat where they accidentally lifted over the drive shaft! Quite a bit damage...) I seem to have misread the anti fouling issue. Don't know what they thought there as fouling concerns should be elementary. May have to ask the makers directly about it? It probably would work just fine with paint but you'd lose warranty and that is a no no with such an expensive motor. That is my guesstimate anyway. One could try Renolit's Dolphin S foil. Heard good things about it but nobody in my vicinity has properly used it yet as everyone still has functional anti fouling you'd need to remove first. Anyway, if you'd need to have it repaired elsewhere... you'd just do it the same any sailboat with engine failure does? Sail close enough and get towed in or get towed all the way?(Joking, it is the H-boat. If sailing all the way is not viable I'd borrow an outboard from someone else The relative rarity of the system however makes it more difficult as "repair" probably involves getting a new unit for a quick switch and/or sending the old one in for warranty/repair. About needing a professional to install it. I'd ask Torqeedo about that. Often that is more a thing they say sometimes but is not necessary. Don't know about their particular set up, but I could imagine that they'd give you the go ahead to do it yourself. Otherwise it would be significantly more expensive as you said. Not really great. Okay, with well/shaft in the lazarette ruled out that leaves only a clever mechanism you can operate from the cockpit to raise and lower the unit?
  4. allweather

    H-Boat vs. Hinckley Sou'wester 30

    I don'T know about the torqeedo, but at least epropulsion states that the unit comes with an anti fouling coating already applied that is supposed to last years. So there is that. About installation I am not sure what you worry about? The pods drive look to be simple three moderate holes to be drilled. One for the cable pass through and two bolts with which to fasten the entire unit. Sealant between and relatively straight forward, not all that different from installing through hulls/sea cocks. Durability is the big one as you said. Can't exactly swap units easily without the boat being on the dry. And the price for the unit itself is rather hefty of an investment. Would suck if it breaks.(though at least batteries are seperate) You mentioned shaft installation? What have you considered in that regard.
  5. allweather

    H-Boat vs. Hinckley Sou'wester 30

    Saw this thread by chance. Funny. Someone already had a pod drive on a H-boat here in Europe.(site is in german) Attachment is right below the companionway where they also installed the batteries and (solar) chargers which is a pretty central(of buoyancy) position and saves on long cable runs! A decade later the old saildrive broke and the owner reported that the boat felt a little better without the saildrive behind the keel but with the caveat that it may be imagined as he has no numbers either way. In other words, not great for racing but also not terrible while sailing at the worst. A more modern electric pod drive is even easier to install in the space(torqeedo has some for example) and less prone to mechanical issues. Or did you mean an electric motor that can be pulled up into a shaft in the hull when not in use? The whole being closed by a bottom plate. I have contemplated this option for my H-boat(but have shied away from it as the entire hull has been reworked in a yard a few years ago and still looks perfect. Kind of a shame to cut into it... for now). Behind and aside the rudder post there is plenty space we usually don't use for anything(heavy at least) aside from fenders where a shaft could be easily fitted and the drive when not in use retracted into. This comes with the advantage of being within arms reach from a seated steering position. Even better when rigged with a simple pulley system to pull it up and down. Really, if it wasn't for cutting into the hull this would be my favorite. As is I am playing around with if you can raise and lower a transom mounted electric motor remotely with a pulley system.
  6. allweather

    ePropulsion and Torqeedo experiences

    That sounds unfun. The motor running out of "fuel." not sailing the pictured boats with nice wind! And does show the limitations powerwise one has to take into considerations. It is just 1kW in the end. The good thing about the h-boat is that you can sail it through most weather pretty well. Even before pulling out reefing and/or tri sails.(don't always carry the tri main/reef but storm jib and anchor most of the time. Prefer that to trying to motor in those winds to be honest) With an electric however I definitely would be forced to sail or drop the anchor. With the gas one I have some... adventures in 6-7Bft. But honestly in those times it usually comes down to sailing to flat spot of water to drop the sails(sometimes right between the wavebreakers) and then only motor the last couple meters which again doesn't need that much power. But that is me who likes to dock under sails compared to some family members that don't want all that stress.
  7. allweather

    ePropulsion and Torqeedo experiences

    Yeah, the "equivalence" label is the worst. It is not exactly rocket science to look at shaft/power and see that a 1000W motor does not equal 5hp, aka 3,7ish kilowatts. I am more annoyed that there seems to be little useful test data. With which I mean comparisons between "typical" use cases with small yachts. Or at least I have not seen it. Because for all the shaft power my outboard has I know that even with a "higher thrust/lower speed" prop it can not transmit its full power into the water. Cavitating and dropping in power instead once the boat stops accelerating around 5,5kn no matter how gently I accerlerate. I know that some guys buy special thrust props for their outboards and get much better results in using the full power the gas engine can provide. Thrust prop in this case being a four blade one with very large area(as much as can be fitted really) and low pitch to keep from dragging down rpms. Doesn't do that much for top speed but acceleration is significantly higher. Anyway before I digress too much. My... insistence about (low speed) thrust is based in the idea that I am not able to use the full power of my gas engine anyway, so a lower power rating with an electric is potentially not that bad as long as it is better suited to the low flow velocity I see. But as you said the gap still seems to be too big with the espirit's mere 1kW. Even half a 5hp gas outboard is more than that.
  8. allweather

    ePropulsion and Torqeedo experiences

    Thanks for the response. That is certainly an interesting experience in regards to the electric's lack of ability to push the boat. Or more importantly, that the gas one did not struggle with thrust either. I wonder where this discrepancy comes from? You are not the first one that told me about this experience(one of the few with a good explanation though) and I can't figure out what causes this when the thrust figures between the motors should be similar. Not range or peak power that the gas engine wins every time hands down, but actually usuable thrust that should not be higher but in every direct comparison always seems to be. What I wish for companies using some good standards for comparison instead of leaving the marketing department to being useless. Or puplish some good depiction of use cases instead of feel good videos... For me the benefits of going electric(the smell, gas everywhere, somewhat more maintenance. Vibration. Damn the noise and vibration!) do outweigh the drawbacks. But I'm also sharing the boat with family members that are... harder to convince and I am not switching outboards every time I want to go out. Thanks for sharing your experience in detail. Got a good argument or two and things to look out for from it. Now to find someone I can pick a motor off of in my area and demonstrate that it works with my boat... I asked a local supplier about this and he just shrugged his shoulders in regards to test drives. Can't believe they're missing out on that business opportunity.
  9. allweather

    ePropulsion and Torqeedo experiences

    What boat are you driving with these motors again? And as you have the direct comparison with a 6hp to the spirit I would like to know what exactly you mean with blasting through everything? people keep telling me that, and from a watt perspective it makes some sense. But when I last tested with my H-boat(8m) speed topped out at 5,5-6kn(not wind) and the prop started cavitating instead of driving the hull faster. In other words, that extra power is wasted. This was with slowly getting up to speed, nevermind in a high wind/wave situation where speed would be lower and loss of theust would happen even sooner. When looking at thrust at rest I barely got 50lbs or so Which is why I‘d like to know how different it actually is with the spirit n your experience. How much less thrust do you experience actually compared to the 6hp outboard. Range not considered as an electric at full power doesn‘t have a lot of that. Certainly not anywhere near the energy density gas provides. But when power is the important factor and not range(typical high wind harbor approach short but gusty)
  10. allweather

    All-New Velocitek ProStart

    Well, no racing but I got my unit before the boat was to be hauled out for the winter and had some fun sailing for a couple hours before it got chilly towards the evening. To start with the W-bracket that I used to mount it to my mast. Works nice and is small to be unassuming when the prostart isn't mounted. However the supplied tapped rod to slide into the mast track and screw the bracket to turned out a little too big to fit(due to fittings limiting access on my mast). Will have to mill off 1-2mm to slide it past an obstruction and get a neat connection. Luckily the bracket also comes with a piece of rope that easily holds the bracket together with the non slip rubber on the bracket itself helping preventing slipping when you pulled the rope tight. From there it is just clipping in the prostart, maybe add a rope to the convenient mounting point for a safety strap, and go sailing. Which I did and enjoyed as hoped for. Very easy to read in all lighting conditions and the numbers really are big(especially on a small boat Buttons are easy to use even with cold and gloved fingers too. Tried out the line feature. Convenient but will take some getting used to as I never had such functioniality. For now half the fun, in particular when sailing on our own, is having the course and speed displayed at the mast. Even otherwise more relaxed crew got into chasing the day's top speed. Looking forward to next season with the device.
  11. allweather

    29er Sail Track

    Should be 2011, I think. I know that the previous owner I bought it from broke their original boom shortly before I bought it and after they switched to the carbon rig. While I can see the boom bend when vang is on fully(since I put the 1:4 purchase in), nothing seems to be a problem. Checked everything else over just in case and it was fine. Looks like I'll plate it over once winter gets properly cold. Mainly as my current regular crew is busy and doesn't fancy sailing in freezing air. Switching to windsurfing for the time then and maintenance on the boat. Though getting the new fitting is an enticing proposition as I need to order a handful of parts from Ovington anyway and the part comes with more mounting holes... Why switch to stainless? I used that on my H-boat(vang was pulling out) and while it is nice and strong it is also a pain to bend freehand. A pain to drill and even with monel rivets and anti seize/corrosion paste the metal reacts a bit before settling. I figured a similar to original strength aluminium should be strong enough and easier to work with. By the way, how did you get these cracks? Just stress or similar to myself suspecting the fitting to put compression on the profile where it shouldn't? Keeping it out of the mud(bay is 2m deep in a lot of direction) is a good starting point for VMG. As is not breaking the boom in 25+knots and causing other damage^^ Plus repairs I can do on my lonesome.
  12. allweather

    29er Sail Track

    @JulianB Somewhat different, but checking over my boat I noticed a pretty worrying crack in my 49er boom. I think I can track it back to the gooseneck fitting being bend back a bit and putting some pressure on the profile.(don't ask how that happened... My idea would be to remove the fitting, drill a small hole at the end of the crack and then bolt on the fitting again together with a 2/3mm aluminium plate on top and monel blind rivets. Does that sound like a plausible repair or should I just get over it over with and invest in a new boom?
  13. allweather

    What was it?

    I recon further forward, hiking. Sadly didn't take a proper topside picture. Wheel is quite forward too now that I think on it.
  14. allweather

    What was it?

    It is a strange choice I must admit. Oh, and I should clarify that I saw it in Kiel, Germany. Which doesn't mean it couldn't come from another continent but does make it less likely.
  15. allweather

    What was it?

    Highjacking for comment in case knowledgeable people are already around. Saw this boat last weekend in a marina and didn't get the opportunity to ask the owner about it. Any idea what it is?