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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. I noticed that CASRA will now be using PHRF TOT (rather than TOD) scoring. That's new, no?
  2. Wasn't the boat captain a guy named Marty or something? Used to brag about doing the Mac on just "water and vitamins". Yeah, I know about those "vitamins" from the late 70's !!
  3. "...will expose youth sailors to distance racing strategy and tactics..." Yeah, I can just see the kid on the Opti wondering if he/she is at the crossover point between the A1/A2 "Now where the hell did I put that sail selection chart?" and "Shit, this GRIB file is over 8 hours old!" But in all seriousness, sounds like a very good idea and a neat long-distance adventure. When I was a kid I got to sail small boats (Lightning, Snipe, CapeDory dinghy) for a few miles on larger inland lakes on occasion - it was "adventure" sailing for a kid, and not something you get from your usual junior sailing program. So - good to see kids get a crack at something like that outside of W/Ls, and without needing a rich Uncle Henry with the lake house to experience. Obviously, "shadowing" the fleet with support craft is a top priority.
  4. I think posting on here can probably help you in getting involved in racing again... a number of owners or er, "boat organizers", show up from time-to-time here and might contact you if you provide more background.
  5. It's def a Peterson. Not at all like a PT30 except for being an IOR boat. PT30 is much heavier, has a deeper forefoot, and is nearly a double-ender the transom is so skinny. Didn't the PT30 have an outboard (transom mount) rudder? Also the PT-30 had a more "boxy" doghouse.
  6. North, Quantum, Doyle, and UK all make shit sails... sometimes. North, Doyle, Quantum and UK more often than not make pretty good sails... and some are better for a certain class than others. And each of them occasionally makes something you wish could last forever. There are few programs in Chicago that could truly tell the difference between the best examples of sailmaker A's product versus sailmaker B's product, where both sailmakers have equivalent experience in that boat type. As long as you keep your sails fresh (1-2 year replacement cycle depending upon class), and you use a sailmaker that has experience with your boat type and provides appropriate levels of service/attention, you should concentrate your energy more on going out and sailing the damn boat with the same crew, working on mechanics, trim, driving and tactics, than on debating whose FEA model is more accurate or the relative modulii of aramid vs carbon. Curmudgeon rant over.
  7. Marion Hayes' son posts here as hayesrigging... PM him and see if he knows. Marion Hayes bought out Comp Tech (aka Plastrend) from Green and re-named it Island Yachts, and went on to build the Pet 34.
  8. As someone else said - been there, done that, not as interested anymore. Accommodate us by... having a start, a finish, and not bad-mouthing us when we are happily done with it? (That's nor really directed at you Glenn, I know you are one of those looking under every rock and stone for solutions...). I think Mid had a point - instead of trying to rebuild racing participation by restoring what was, accept what is (the new paradigm) - and work with that.
  9. The only A3 events there are the Beer Can series and Colors - which have always (lately) been on YS. Eventually NOOD and Verve will show up, I assume, as always. But I thought I read/heard that CASRA said that there would be a centralized entry portal on YS for all A3 races (like was done with the old crappy A3 site)? But all that is mentioned on the CASRA site (at least now) is that YS will be used for scoring. I know that Luiz would have to develop a separate app or set of CF pages to accomplish this function, and that isn't free. The alternative is to list all 30-some events on their schddule that aren't already on YS (Colors, NOOD, Verve, HS, etc.).
  10. Ding ding ding!! I worked for several years part-time as a race boat broker. I had any number of clients who wanted to move up from their 30-ish R/C to 40' or so, and race more seriously. I knew them and their programs/habits - these guys raced every weekend (often both days), and delivery crew brought their boats back from Mac for them, and they never day-sailed. I would talk to them about picking up a pretty recent (1-3 year old) race boat for pennies on the dollar where they could put the extra $$ into a full set of sails, bottom job, and they were like "Oh no, it needs to be a R/C with an interior". "Why?" "You're never even down below on your own boat except for Mac!" "My wife wants a boat with an interior we could cruise". But said wife was never seen on the boat previously... it really was more of a "I can't spend that kind of money unless it's something she will also approve of".
  11. My budget is $6k per boat per year and that includes 1 new sail per year.I don't count the Mac races in that, as the crew splits cost. For a 28' Mooring: $1500 Sails (1 new every 3 years): $1000 Race fees: $500 Fuel: $100 Insurance: $300 General maintenance: $500 I don't see how your numbers for a 28 footer work. Mooring = $1,500 (can at Monroe) Race fees are 45 bucks a race for Area 3, not counting Colors, NOOD, Verve - will easily total $1000 (Colors, NOOD, Verve are 600 themselves) How about winter storage? $1,700 at Crowley's (outside), somewhat less elsewhere Insurance = $300 One new sail every three years?? Enjoy being at the back of the pack. How about one a year = $ 1,000 Fuel = $100 Maintenance? VC17 alone will be $200 - call it $250 with bunny suits, rollers, solvent,etc. What about running rigging replacement, blocks, frayed dock lines, overboard winch handles, broken windexes, etc? Call it another $ 1,000 for maintenance. And how about crew lunches (You don't expect crew to bring their own food/drink for a 4ksb?) - $50 per race day - that's $ 750. That's an annual budget of $ 7,350 for a 28 footer. I pretty much spent that when I owned a J-27 back in the late 80's that I did not actively campaign. Not sure how you manage a 35' program on 6K (mooring (can at Monroe) and winter storage (outdoor) are 4K), but more power to you! I think you're missing my point. No, I get it that you're trying to show it is not "crazy expensive" to own and campaign a modest race boat. But I think everyone always underestimates the costs, and 7K (or more) to campaign a boat is something to consider for 20- or 30-somethings (who I think are the "target market" for this exercise) early in their careers. It's a significant amount of disposable income for people establishing careers, families, down payments on houses, etc. I did it and it was financially stupid! Compare that to the cost to participate in other sports, as Blubs has indicated. I think the discussion about V15s or similar as a means of expanding the base is probably more fruitful. Even if they don't morph into owners, they provide a pool of experinced and interested crew (which everyone is saying there are too few of).
  12. My budget is $6k per boat per year and that includes 1 new sail per year.I don't count the Mac races in that, as the crew splits cost. For a 28' Mooring: $1500 Sails (1 new every 3 years): $1000 Race fees: $500 Fuel: $100 Insurance: $300 General maintenance: $500 I don't see how your numbers for a 28 footer work. Mooring = $1,500 (can at Monroe) Race fees are 45 bucks a race for Area 3, not counting Colors, NOOD, Verve - will easily total $1000 (Colors, NOOD, Verve are 600 themselves) How about winter storage? $1,700 at Crowley's (outside), somewhat less elsewhere Insurance = $300 One new sail every three years?? Enjoy being at the back of the pack. How about one a year = $ 1,000 Fuel = $100 Maintenance? VC17 alone will be $200 - call it $250 with bunny suits, rollers, solvent,etc. What about running rigging replacement, blocks, frayed dock lines, overboard winch handles, broken windexes, etc? Call it another $ 1,000 for maintenance. And how about crew lunches (You don't expect crew to bring their own food/drink for a 4ksb?) - $50 per race day - that's $ 750. That's an annual budget of $ 7,350 for a 28 footer. I pretty much spent that when I owned a J-27 back in the late 80's that I did not actively campaign. Not sure how you manage a 35' program on 6K (mooring (can at Monroe) and winter storage (outdoor) are 4K), but more power to you!
  13. "This delegate council, nearly completing these refinements, has formed five committees, each headed by one or more delegates and focused on its topic": "committees have been formed under the A3RGC to streamline..." Anyone else catch the cognitive dissonance? I know, I'm being overly grumpy even for a Monday...
  14. We used to do it every year, required for the Chgo-Mac. We actually would do two versions - one with owner/driver at helm, and then one where O/D was MOB - so some other crew member would have to grab helm and direct the MOB recovery.
  15. It's geography. Boats come from mostly 4 major harbors (Mont, Bel, Dus/Mon, Burn), and go back there when racing is finished. Congregating at a single (host) YC is not all that attractive a proposition when you have to deal with LSD traffic and additional parking ($$?) hassle to get there. And that's assuming the host YC will open their bar to the non-member riff-raff. For a major regatta, it's different (there's more motivation), but for a regular A3 day, once I (and many others, I presume) leave our "host" harbor after boat tidy-up, debrief, and the odd drink or two, we'd just as soon head home. I think we've pretty much established that it would be difficult to change from this paradigm to the "port-to-port party experience" for non-regatta A3 events. Host YC should not have to open their bar, host YC should have keg and awards on the lawn/deck following each regatta. Transient dockage available during awards party. If crew wants to head home and skip party, they can uber back to their car... Skipper can deliver boat home. Camaraderie is how you maintain and grow the sport. Keg won't last forever, and not everyone drinks beer, so the bar is probably a more logical choice. And it has been done- I'm pretty sure BPYC, CCYC, etc have noted in the SI's for some of their races that a free keg is available for all entrants. I doubt they get many "foreign" takers, though. .As to your other points - well our owner for one is not a party-er and may stop in his own YC where the boat is moored for a refreshment, but he's not likely to want to haul his boat to some other YC and raft up, nor do the post-party delivery (could be close to an hour from Monroe/DuS to Belmont/Montrose/Jackson Pk). And getting his drunk crew to do the delivery is (wisely) probably not high on his list either! I'd imagine there are more owners like him than not - at least as the boat delivery issues go. I know that we're not the only boat in our neck of the woods (on our set of docks) that comes back "home" after the day's racing. If anyone is going to another YC for a few drinks, its going to be by car/cab/uber. And for some of us, that's just too big a PITA, and one might as well just get headed on home (which could be 45-60 min away) to spend time with family, etc. I realize you are a younger owner than the norm, so to you it may not be as onerous to deliver your boat there/back or deal with traffic/parking hassles (esp with multiple vehicles - crew of 10 anyone?), and maybe making these efforts in order to socialize after the race day in a "central" location is no big deal. But for others - whether they be owners or crew, there are other priorities, or the attraction isn't all that great. Note - for the mutli-day regattas, it is different of course. We, and many other crews, do travel to the host sit (and deal with LSD traffic/parking/$$) to attend the party/awards. It just doesn't seem as worth it for the non-regatta one or two-race A3 day.