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    Prada Cup

    I seriously doubt the leeward runner was at max out, if you go look at the 10 to 12 second mark and look at the mainsails lower leech fluttering with the leeward running back pressed hard against the leech just above it. Either someone blew the mainsail way below the normal out or the runner was never released and not max out. Seeing that much flutter on the lower main leech generally means excessive loads on the sail. I believe this is what caused the next steps to happen. It's like what they say in aviation, a typical accident is usually caused by several incidents in a chain of events. We're all just speculating and really have no clue, we're all just guesstimating out of our butts and until we hear from the team giving us the actual truth and data which in reality they really don't have to tell us anything and why would they? They currently have waaaaay more important things to deal with right now.
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    head like a hole

    Agree, I may not like how well the crew did on this last series of racing but you're talking about a guy/crewman who was on the boat during the crash, then immediately had to do the salvage and is now responsible for creating and coordinating an almost insurmountable come back while at the same time coordinate a world record rebuild project on a cutting edge America's Cup boat under the clock and pundits expect him to stop and give them some detailed lip service? Give the guy some space and let him do his job, we'll eventually find out what the deal is.
  3. spectator

    Prada Cup

    ^ And I thought just having the caps on while posting was bad enough.
  4. spectator

    Prada Cup

    With the leeward runner on, all bets are off and that will greatly effect everything that has to do with keeping direction & control. That load applied in those conditions will override all the other controls, looking at the video wont show you that load being applied. Imagine you're the Jolly Green Giant and you pressed your finger down on the leech/roach on the main while a boat is accelerating , what will the boat do? (we've all been there) Then add foils to the scenario, we then have a boat wanting to do a lift off while attempting a wind check. This was a classic and typical Oh Fuck scenario/moment during the good old IOR days when leeward runner was on (but not the foiling bit) that made the front cover on a lot of magazines.
  5. spectator

    Prada Cup

    Actually, no way. When the leeward running back was still on tight, essentially the equivalent of having the main in tight going upwind with roach working, what does a boat want to do when it gets overpowered by a puff and main on hard? it really wants to round up hard, a boat going hard right, the skipper makes the classic correction with the rudder going hard left (not much else he can do, he didn't expect the runner to be on) which causes cavitation and a foiling rudder will lose control, down force and lift up further exasperating the situation. Thats why you see the boat yaw to the right while in the air There was nothing Andrew Campbell or Barker could do with the leeward runner still on tight; the moment they needed to de-power the main, was the moment they were just passengers from that point on.
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    Prada Cup

    To be honest, it's not that simple and I would love to hear what G's were pulled when they impacted. That was a pretty dynamic impact the would be very difficult calculate and prepare for, that can only really be seen from the video from the helicopter, the yaw (side ways) while in the air and then when coming down the bow whipped down even harder, increasing the G forces. These boats can't be built for every scenario otherwise you'll have a total dog. You build it light, make it fast, respect it and then keep your fingers crossed and don't screw the pooch.
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    head like a hole

    First of all, It was terrible to see the accident and damage; I hope they can get it fixed very soon, back up and running well. If what you said is true, then that's not keeping a cool winning head, not sticking to all the the training they've done and racing procedures. The dialogue I was hearing was fairly vague and happening too late, and not giving enough time for crew or boat handling to keep up, the tactics showed this (not just that last rounding but also at the starts). They need to see much farther forward and have much earlier dialogue between themselves, help paint a clearer picture for Barker so he doesn't have to (its not an Etchell), he needs more spotters (remember he's driving a water ski boat at neck braking speeds); at those speeds how can you have just one person keep an eye on the other boat, the course and at same time deal with your own boats conditions, tactics, headings and then talk to skipper? it's easier said than done but the other teams seem to be doing it better. I don'y know, maybe I'm missing something? It sucks for them and for this regatta, I do hope to see them stronger and kicking ass soon.
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    head like a hole

    Yup, Sure sounds like he did. We can rip on Barker all day long but he's only part of the cog (a broken one) and only part of the problem, posts about recent olympians having tons or dialogue, never giving up, being present, always observing and staying cool is very true and this is definitely not being observed on USA. Can't completely blame Barker for what's going on the boat. That's leadership and the higher up's who decided who was going to do what on the boat, who gets to be on the boat, crew layout and job roles and they are the ones to blame and maybe too late to change. There's a slew of things that's being observed on Patriot that could be better. Goodison is all alone and not the boss, that's the dude staring down at a pedestal inside the boat who is in charge and staying quiet; is that being present and being on top of the game? Maybe swap out Hutchison for a stronger grinder as it looks like they can't go without that grinder, make Goodison the tactician and give him rank above Barker. Hutchison can run the show from the RIB. Right now it just doesn't look like a good formula onboard, not present and too old school like when Kostecki was on Oracle and then replaced. Ask Barker how that worked out for him, I think he felt the effects on that change up?
  9. spectator

    what is it?

    I wanna say modified Cal 20 with new keel?
  10. spectator

    what's wrong with it?

    Whoops, my bad and you could be right. That delivery was a long time ago but it was Pyw. I do remember this one had the metal honeycomb boom siding.
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    what's wrong with it?

    True that! Cant think of a worse delivery/pounding except maybe going north, off the coast of Oregon heading to Seattle; same shit, potential for a lot more nasty and a lot colder. There's never enough food. Always better to have a surfboard and hug the coast with a lot of time available to eat lobster and surf. But we've digressed from the OP
  12. spectator

    what's wrong with it?

    Not the Kat., it was Pyw. and yes, I believe it was Taxi Dancer
  13. spectator

    what's wrong with it?

    But at least when you buy those $200 rounds, getting the sails folded and put away is much easier. But without those 20, how much fun is folding the sails? Especially the main if you're folding it on the boom. Here's some pics I took many, many moons ago delivering a particular SC70 up the coast to SF for Big Boat Series, look at the height of the boom from the deck, you need a ladder. Now try doing it with just two other friends after sailing all day. An oh, notice the couple of those pulley thingys on the foredeck, there's a reason why they're there. Also, a view from mast top looking down and nice shot of a SeaTek spreader and Golden Gate in the fog. Looking down at it, the boat still has good looking lines for such an old boat.
  14. spectator

    what's wrong with it?

    Certainly not a myth and thanks for the jab of just being a dock walker but ok. To this day I remember it well and did several transpacific deliveries and countless ones from So. Cal to SF, going to weather off Pt. Sur is no joy but it is fairly dry with a high freeboard. The Nelson Marek 68's were even worse, I brought back Prima from Hawaii, now thats a noodle. There's a ton of other seasoned sailors, especially delivery crews that can speak about that so just don't take my word (which I'm totally ok on). SC50's are great boats and I would certainly enjoy cruising one myself, I like the interior and feel of it when down below and yes the boat is manageable. The SC70 is a whole other beast, it's over 50% more boat to deal with and the ergonomics down below are totally different and deck layout and size of gear and distance away from each other is on a whole other level. Dont get me wrong, I love the SC70's, so fun dropping in, chute up and feels like a massive surfboard but its a conundrum when it comes from a shopping perspective for a used boat and how much is it really worth (bang for the buck). It has it quirks and associated costs that can sneak up on you pretty fast but I guess anything is great when the rosy glasses are on. If you want to sail one of these, then the best deal in town, hands down is to charter one for a regatta and then go back to your other boat for regular use.
  15. spectator

    what's wrong with it?

    Not with only a few on the rail nor comfortable. Have you actually been on a SC70 in big swell going the wrong way?