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  1. Mast or boom furling?

    In mast did not work out to well for Sir Ben. https://au.sports.yahoo.com/a/25980427/ben-ainslie-rescued-richard-branson-on-honeymoon-with-georgie-thompson/ Or just google "ben ainslie necker island sailboat sail stuck" and you will see a whole slew of stories. Good thing he was clos to Necker Island and could call in the calvary. Would have been ugly out in the ocean. (This is about a 2 year old story.)
  2. phrf handicap J105

    I have had this same discussion with the Young American group. My position (which counts for nothing) is if your PHRF rating is OD then you need to race in that configuration. If you change something that takes the boat out of OD configuation to go faster, which this jib looks to be, then your boat is faster and the numerical rating should go down. (I guess you could do something to make your boat go slower and hope for a better rating.) Although PHRF takes a bunch of numbers and measurements, by definition PHRF is a performance handicap system. So if you do something to change the performance of the boat the rating should change. The J/105 has a very fair OD PHRF rating, so why bother trying to mess around with it. If you only race PHRF it would be nice to get something other than a dacron main sail that constantly needs replacing but other than that not sure why you would want to change things to get out of OD.
  3. Vineyard Race 2017

    Unfortunately the Gearbuster conflicts with the STC IOR College regatta at LYC and YA has been loaned for that regatta. FYI I understand they are short boats this year so if anybody wants to help grow the sport this is your chance.
  4. Vineyard Race 2017

    Thanks for the reminder. Just a few race days. Couple years back he was on for the Dorade and can't remember a day since then. His kids have/are in the program but work schedule does not let him be on the boat. He did help sail High Noon back from Bermuda.
  5. Vineyard Race 2017

    Swabbie, Just to set the record straight regarding the YA program sailing with pros. Yes we did sail with one pro on the Bermuda race, plus myself and another parent. Yes we did sail with a Cat3 on the Vineyard this year since our regular parent coach had to do a college drop off. That is TWO races out of about 300 race days over the past 4 years when the YA team sailed with a pro. If anybody has any specific questions regarding the YA program we would be glad to share and would love to help replicate to other clubs. Quite honestly the problem is not the funding, it is getting the committed volunteers to put in the time to make the program work year after year.
  6. Vineyard Race 2017

    I fully agree in the premise to get more boats out sailing who ever is crewing, and respect the other YCC entered teams accomplishments. We can respectfully disagree with the term youth. I do not consider college age kids youth, I would call them young adults, or adults. Once you are over 18 you are in "real life," go to college if you are lucky, fight wars for our freedom or start working full time. When you do bad things you go to the big house not the little house.
  7. Vineyard Race 2017

    I think you are referring to Desperado, a program that has really gotten that boat up to speed and are getting great results. Congrats on their good sailing. Desperado does fit the YRA rules of a youth boat and and I support that and am a fan of their program, I had one of their sailors camp out at my house before and after the Vineyard, but YA is a different program. YA has kids 14-17 years old sailing against the college age men and women from Webb, KP and SUNY. We are fine with it but not all youth boats are full of youth.
  8. Vineyard Race 2017

    I hear you, the 105 has a rating it can sail to. But if PHRF is going to rate any boat correctly, don't you think it would be boats that race in one design configuation and have twenty+ boats with PHRF ratings.
  9. Vineyard Race 2017

    Regarding Gemini. That change in Aug 2013 seem plausible. A like boat was rated slower so change the Hanse 375 rating to match the Hanse 370. I guess they could have gone the other way and change the 370 but as you point out that is hardly done. But the change in Sept 2015 is hard to understand. Quoting from PHRF minutes, "Hanse 375 – from floor. Base 105. Hanse 370e has similar dimensions and also rates 105. +9 for both. Base 105 -> 114." It gives no reason why the gave each boat +9 seconds. Based on what they did in 2013 they should have kept that rating at 105. Full disclosure I have a dog in this fight. Involved in the YA program and the kids are like WTF. Here is a boat that has a 3' longer waterline than a 105, and the J/105 gives them 21 seconds a mile. We tell them welcome to the world of PHRF. Not a great world.
  10. The Next Boat-----2020

    What are they doing for propulsion?
  11. 2015 ALIR

    Pasted from YRA website. I agree with swabbie, what is the point of the lower limit and calling 23 year old adults "youth" is kind of funny. I think something like 17 would be more reasonable, but then I guess the academies and Oakcliff could not compete. YRALIS Youth Challenge Cup Challenging Owners to Increase Youth Participation NEWS ABOUT 2017 YOUTH CHALLENGE CUP (YCC) Last year the YRA listed venues that would qualify for the Youth Challenge Cup. THAT HAS CHANGED! In 2017, all YRA qualifying regattas will now be counted towards the YCC. This year the process has been simplified so there is very little for skippers/teams to do. For Organizing Authorities, there is no longer a need for any NOR/SI wording, as this trophy will now be handled much the same as all the other YRA perpetuals. The one exception will be that some entrants may request a little help posting "YCC" as part of their boat name in all documents (Scratch Sheets and Results). Once competitors make the decision to compete for this trophy, they simply need to: 1. Meet the requirement that 1/3 of the crew's ages are between 14 and 23. 2. Ensure that the initials "YCC" are noted as part of the yacht name on all regatta documents (Scratch Sheet and Results). It's requested that the crew also fly the "J" pendent from their backstays. 3. E-mail the YRA Scorer at; scores@yralis.org for each race they intend to count towards this trophy. It must include the total number of crew and the number of qualified youth on board. Full details will be available soon in the 2017 Racing Program and at www.yralis.org. Why not help increase youth participation by inviting some junior sailors to crew on your boat? Think about how fun it will be creating a great experience for our sailing youth! ARE YOU IN????
  12. Tragic youth sailing accident

    Nice report by Gowrie Group on prop guards. Interesting how many organizations require them. http://www.uspowerboating.com/wp-content/uploads/Gowrie-Safety-Prop-Protectors.pdf Gowrie-Safety-Prop-Protectors.pdf
  13. Melges 24 #541 - for sale

    Just listed in classifieds. Located Rye, NY. Ad on SA
  14. Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

    Would be great if Dave could give regular updates on what hull numbers are shipping so everybody who is waiting does not need to keep on asking. Eagerly awaiting hull #28.
  15. mod for a shackle & block?

    Take a look at this thread and linked image. Might be the answer. image_zpstucfwwxm.jpeg