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  1. This year's Viper 640 PCCs will be held in conjunction with the Columbia Gorge One Design Regatta, July 28-30. Notice of Race and Registration at http://www.regattanetwork.com/event/14344
  2. 2017- Fort Walton-Viper North Americans

    Here's the Fort Walton YC Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Viper640NorthAmericanChampionships
  3. 2016 Lake Champlain Viper 640 Regatta

    Great pics...thanks for sharing. Looked like great conditions and a ton of fun. See y'all in Bermuda. Cheers, John
  4. Donovan GP26 starts production in Turkey

    Well done! I noticed in the results that 2 of the GP 26's have PHRF ratings of 78 and the third 81. Is the only difference the size of the main?
  5. 2016 Sportboat PHRF Matrix

    Is higher or lower faster? Is this a single rating handicap? How is it used to adjust times? My limited experience with the Viper was that it really had two ratings: - 60 with some reaching legs and enough breeze to plane - 140 in a light air windward leeward. In PHRF NE Viper is 99, Melges 24 is 102, J70 117. Didn't find the others. As far as I understand it is a single rating and higher is faster. Rating x Elapsed = Corrected Our Aussie friends will be able to shed more light but essentially it's a measurement rule for sport boats between 5.8m and 8.5m that have a minimum rating (Time Correction Factor) of 0.755. Note: J70's do not rate high enough under the rule but have been allowed. The constitution is at http://www.asba.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Australian-Sports-Boat-Association-Constitution.pdf Out here in BC, the Viper is 108 with outboard-99 without, and a Melges 24 is 99. We don't have any local J70's locally.
  6. 2016 Sportboat PHRF Matrix

    For more objective numbers take a look at the Sports Boat Measurement System (SMS) used by the Australian Sports Boat Association. The measured ratings (TCF) in OD trim are: Melges 24: 0.800 Viper 640: 0.778 VX One: 0.771 J70: 0.726 See http://www.asba.org.au/current-sms-ratings/
  7. Viper 640 for sale

    Portsmouth, RI.
  8. Looking for my next boat

    I agree that both boats are great but take the contrary view as I considered both and preferred the Viper. We raced in a Viper fleet with a VX added once shortly after I got the boat and they brought up the rear but I don't know the quality of the sailors on it at the time. I'm not sure where the idea of structural issues comes from but I've been very happy with mine. It's been a blast to sail and I'm sure the VX is as well. Cheers, John
  9. Looking for my next boat

    You're going to get different biases from people owning different boats eg., I would suggest you take a good look at a Viper 640 but take a sail on all of the boats that you are considering. You should also consider what type of help you might get from other owners and the Class Association, if there is one. I went through a similar process 4 years ago and took a road trip to SoCal to sail on a couple of the boats that made my short list and after careful consideration about the boat itself and the support from the Class/other owners that the Viper was the way to go even though I was the first one in Vancouver. That was my experience and yours might be different depending on where you are located.
  10. thanks for the info, will try to get info from S2 class org.The seller tells me it will go above 10 knots when board up in 15 to 20 knts Surfing down a wave maybe but you might want to have the board down. It looks like you're from Montreal so you can also give Spike, Brad or Tac Boston a call at the Doyle Boston Loft in Sarnia, ON. Nobody knows the boat better!
  11. The S2 7.9 is a great all round performer but it does not plane. As a former owner I think it's the best racer/cruiser of its size. Racing it loves to go upwind and then downwind with the board up. It is truly a giant killer in the hands of a good skipper and crew and has a good OD Class Association. I would suggest that you touch base with the class via http://s279.org.
  12. Yes, and cause fed, state and local governments to spend $$$$ on policing it!