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  1. O25, I just dug a bit deeper and I guess I was mistaken that they were much different. The drawings on SailboatData make them look different, but pictures on YW don't show much difference. Per a PS review; Aside from adding a sailaway package, which includes North sails, Harken furling gear and lazy jacks, and Autohelm ST 50 instruments, the Piper offers a revised interior layout and a new shoal draft keel. The Piper also carries slightly less ballast with the same hull and rig; otherwise, the two versions are the same. I remember seeing a T31 Piper at a marina across from a boat I used to race and remember how nice they looked.
  2. Angled bulkheads aside, if you are looking at T31's, I personally think the T31 Piper is a much better looking boat, a touch newer too.
  3. IIRC the C&C MKIIIs with the blue stripes were built for a special purpose. I'd check on the C&C owners website, or PM Sculpin, his has the same blue stripe. Personally, I kind of like it.
  4. Sloop, I agree 100% and if Costco was more convenient for me I would just buy them there. For me Napa was more convenient and the batteries were both re-labeled East Penn Deka series. Ultimately, I ended up getting a great deal on some UPS AGMs so went that route this time. Next time I'll probably just get the Costco or Napa ones.
  5. When I was looking a couple years ago, Costco wasn't that much less for the same re-labeled batteries than I could buy at Napa. I'd have to order and pick up later at Napa, but even that was more convenient since Napa is a mile down the road and Costco is a lot further away, and tends to be a cluster anytime that isn't a week day mid morning or mid afternoon. YMMV
  6. speaking of uncaged balls and it looks like Bruce has his problem resolved... I have an older (vintage 1990) Forespar line towable spinnaker pole ring car on my mast. It has what seem to be a metric shitload of little white disintegrating balls in it. Forespar has no information on this product on their website, and an email to their support people has so far not generated a response. If anyone has one of these things and knows what material, size, and quantity of these balls, I'd love to have that info so I can replace them with new. Worst case I take the car off and try to find one of the balls that isn't completely destroyed. Either Ericson or Forespar was nice and gave me the bottom 8 inches or so of the track as a separate piece to act as a loader, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.
  7. And might slap at anchor too. Especially if the bow is down any.
  8. Finally got our boat out over the 4th weekend. 4 adults and 5 kids on a 30 footer. Crowded but fun. Most are hiding below in this picture but we're sailing.
  9. You didn't bleed that much... I agree, the night watches were amazing. Especially the skies. I haven't seen that many stars or that good of a view of the milky way since I was a kid in the boy scouts sitting on top of a mountain in Colorado or New Mexico. Good times.
  10. routers are great tools, but please be very careful, especially with a table as they are probably one of the more dangerous shop tools out there. Especially if you like your fingers. Small cuts a little bit at a time with sharp bits. Feed or push in the direction of the arrow on the base plate. You can get by without the table but it does make things much easier to do what you are trying to do. Get or make push blocks for table usage especially with smaller pieces like your foot tread.
  11. I use a couple of those massive blue Ikea bags to haul stuff to and from the boat. You can put a lot of crap in them and they last forever. Cheap yes, practical yes.
  12. Lex, I did a bulk upgrade on the boat's electronics over the past few years as part of a re-fit. I still need to install the new B&G wind instrument and fish the cable. I also need to get the Chartplotter, instruments, VHF with AIS, and AP all calibrated and set up the way I want. Since they all talk to each other I need to find all of the little check boxes to get them to get data from the right place as the defaults aren't always where I want. Most also have updates that need to be applied. Of course I bought a Raymarine AP and B&G/Navico everything else so I can't update the AP without a Ray MFD. Hope it's good enough out of the box, but even there RM has supposedly added some functionality and other improvements that I can't take advantage of without applying the updates. I printed out all of the setup and users guides for the various components and they have filled a 2" binder. Might take more than a quiet afternoon to get them all set up. I should note though, that I like doing this sort of thing. So as long as I have the time to sit down and figure it out, it won't be that bad. Getting that time is the challenge. I heard from a friend who bought the Vulcan 7 that the built in charts are only so-so as well, so I bought the Navionics Regions chart for the Mid-Atlantic. From what I've looked at it so far, it looks pretty good on the Vulcan.
  13. My family of 5 had a Mac 22 for years when I was a kid. It would sleep 5 as long as the two in the v berth and the salon table berth liked each other. I would assume the 25 would be more comfortable. On nice nights, I'd sleep in the cockpit. We bought a porta potti for ours, but I don't know if we ever used it for the lake sailing that we did. The boat was simple to rig and tow. I rigged it once all by myself with some careful prep and planning, but much better (and safer) to do it with at least two people. I hauled it to college with me behind my old V6 S10 and sailed it at a local lake. After I moved east, my parents sold it to one buddy of mine who sold it to another buddy of mine. It is now sailed by my buddy on the Ozarks and his family of 4. They are simple, inexpensive boats that can last a long time if taken care of.
  14. I upgraded from a Martec to a Gori folder a couple years ago. I had all sorts of issues with the Martec, but they weren't necessarily caused by the design of the Martec. The biggest issue for us was the Martec was a 12 inch prop and the boat should have at least a 15 inch prop on it. I told the Martec guys at a boat show what boat I have and the prop size and they looked at me crosswise and said that isn't right. Anyway, performance of the Gori is night and day different in boat speed in both forward and reverse. I'll give most of that to the prop size. That said, in reverse, the Martec was painful to back up with and it had very bad prop walk. I sucked it up and figured it out and dealt with it for several years, but it was an art more than a science, but I couldn't get my wife to even try to back the boat into the slip. The first time I backed up with the Gori, I lined everything up like I did previously with the Martec and was shocked to find that the boat has almost no prop walk in reverse anymore. I still do the same old tricks of high revs to get way on and then reduce once you have steerage, but I don't slide sideways 10 feet before the boat starts moving anymore. So that is nice. I also like the idea of the gearing keeping the blades doing the same thing. I had a few times with the Martec where one blade would open and the other wouldn't and it made a lot of noise and vibration.
  15. On the wiring. I was able to get the display unit to work again with the cut wires, by just making sure the crimps were nice and solid. The wires are tiny, so that was a bit of a challenge, but patience finally won out. Ours was cut when the rigger who took our boat apart before it was delivered to us decided that was the best way to get that system apart instead of taking the connector off and fishing 8 feet or so of cable through a pretty accessible headliner. I've never taken apart any of the boxes, but they have been in nice dry areas of the boat and seem to be in ok shape with no visible corrosion. Our fluxgate is located on the starboard side about 2' off centerline under the nav desk. Probably not ideal either, but other than the previous not so great securing method, it doesn't seem to be too bad of a spot. I now have a combination of old and new systems on the boat, but having the Sailcomp on the mast in plain view of everybody and having the lift/header indicator is nice so I'll keep it running as long as I can. Or at least until I can afford mast displays from somebody else.