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  1. Front Page Mac 26 3ksb

    We bought an '85 Mac25 off the side of the road two years ago. Despite questionable-at-times seaworthiness, a deck that is spongy in some places (ok, most places), and a keel and rudder with the hydrodynamics of a 2x6, we're having a blast mixing it up in our PHRF fleet. Having a "shitbox" frees you up to treat the boat like a learning project and not worry about being on a budget. It's all the more fun when we place respectably with our misfit sail suit scrounged from eBay and the local E Scow fleet (turns out the pole and small kite off their old symmetrical rigs fit the Mac pretty well). I used to bash Macs too, but our crew is made up of experienced dinghy racers and we're having way more fun than we should be racing the Mac. I'm sure I will own better-built and better-sailing keelboats in my life, but you can't beat laid-back racing with 3-4 friends in a boat you can cruise in overnight that costs less than a good used Laser.
  2. The Next Boat-----2020

    Probably a pipe dream, since big inshore boats have a limited market, but it would be nice to see a post-event life for these boats that doesn't involve tourist operations or salvage. I like that retired Volvo/Whitbread racers have a competitive life beyond the event, and that's occasionally been true for Cup racers of old (well, really only a few cases outside the J Class/12M/IACC fleets, like American Eagle). A little durability/design margins built into the class rule would go a long way, and have the added bonus of producing boats that don't break in half on the racecourse.
  3. Hey buy an ad!

    If you're looking at that small a crew I'd go with something in the 20-25 foot range. Most of the performance-oriented 30 footers need a pretty big team to perform well, even in the light stuff. I race a cheap(ly made) 25 footer with 4-5 per night (including me (and we race spinnaker)), and if I had your budget a few I'd consider would be the S2 6.9 and 7.9, Evelyn 25 (yes, I like Evelyns, especially as light air boats), and of course the J/22 and 24, which despite their occasional flaws outside of OD racing benefit hugely from a strong part/sail supply. There are many more designs out there. $15K can get you a NICE 25 footer. I agree with 12 Metre, find the fleet you're going to race in and pick something that fits the rating band/predominant boat/OD class well.
  4. Hey buy an ad!

    My favorites in the "racier" 30 foot range at that general price point are the J/29, Evelyn 32-2, and Olson 30.
  5. J/29 Shopping

    I used to crew on a MHOB that sailed very well in PHRF (and I believe still does). I'd echo the comments on needing a big crew though.
  6. Pole back! From the FP...

    Neither is bow (at least in inshore racing). I grew up priding myself in being able to keep a foredeck organized and working. Wasn't always easy as there are plenty of ways to fuck up a pole boat. I got on a sprit boat for the first time and remember thinking "that's it?" I see sprit boats advertised a lot as "easy crew work" or "tactician's boat." Translation: "we worked hard to reduce the importance of crew skill so you idiots in the back don't have to focus so hard on developing a good team willing to sail with you." Now I am one of those idiots in the back and doing my best to train my foredeck crew (a high school 420 racer on his first keelboat, as I once was) in the ways of old. Hey, if he winds up on a sprit boat some day I'm sure he'll have fun, but learning how to sail a symmetrical rig is like learning to drive stick - best to do it from the start, and you'll never know when it might come in handy.
  7. Dennis Conner 1988 catamaran win video?

    When I've read stories about '88 the assumption seems to be that in the absence of Fay's challenge the next cup would have been in '91 in 12 Meters. Is that generally considered to be true? I wonder how many more cycles the 12s would have gone for.
  8. West Marine

    A few winters ago I stopped into my "local" WM store (1.5 hours away after they closed the one in town) and was greeted by the sign "closed for the season." Because why would anyone be working on the boat during the winter? Doesn't everyone build and restore in the summer? Then earlier this year (not in the winter) I swung by to pick up a part I needed that day (a Harken cheeck block) and was informed it was out of stock and they wouldn't order more until someone requested it, thereby negating their one advantage as a bricks-and-mortar store - that I can buy something there TODAY and install it that afternoon. I said no thanks, went home, and bought it on eBay. And the thing is, I like bricks and mortar stores. I really do! I rarely buy hardware, tools, or building supplies online (mostly because I am a poor planner). But WM is the only game (in this neck of the woods) left in town and they don't seem to be embracing any of the advantages they could possibly have over online retailers.
  9. What new AC 36 Class boat would you like ?

    Though if you remember, in 2007 there were really only 3 challengers out of 11 who had any realistic shot - ETNZ, BMWO, and LR. In 2003 Alinghi basically trounced the entire thing. 2000 was great, at least for the LVC (and us yanks' nationalism was fed by 5 American teams with mostly American crews). Anyway, there's an argument to be made for quality vs quantity. The extra teams in prior years seem to be more chaff than wheat. There always seems to be a core group of around 3-4 serious contenders, the rest exist to be spoilers (though the weaker teams are valuable for developing talent). One thing that seems to contribute to more teams in the later editions of a particular class is the availability of used boats that are at least somewhat competitive, which allows low-budget teams to spin-up without building a new boat. Heck, sometimes teams have actually competed with boats from the prior edition. They're usually not great teams (in "modern" times - yes I know there have been multiple defenses in the same boat), but if you recall Spithill's first cup, it was racing with a youth Australian team in 2000 sailing with a boat from '95.
  10. AC doesn't really interest core sailors

    28, though "worst thing to happen" is a bit of a stretch. I mean, I think the 1918 flu pandemic may have a better shot in this department. Maybe the 79 AD eruption of Vesuvius as well. I kid - the modern AC is an interesting spectacle but it's no longer very relatable to the sailing I do (i.e. the kind that has a large and competitive fleet in my area and is affordable, that being displacement and planing monohulls). Furthermore, the rule and format changes (reaching starts, slow-down penalties, gates at both ends of the course that minimize engagement) make me feel like I'm not watching the same sport I play. It would be as if Major League Baseball suddenly switched to cricket to boost ratings. The new game bears a passing resemblance to the old one, but it just wouldn't be the same, and it would be hard to for anyone familiar with the sport or the history of the league to relate.
  11. Bring Back the Behemoths

    I liked watching the 72s last time around. But the boats, the course with its reaching starts and windward gates and boundaries, and new rules just didn't "feel" like the America's Cup, and it radically changed the tactics and strategy of what had been a highly refined match race. At some point you have to stop talking about "watchability" and remember the fundamentals of the game. To me it looked like the NFL suddenly decided to switch to playing rugby. I like watching rugby, but I also like football, and when I turn on the TV on Sundays (at least here in the States) I expect to see football.
  12. Gulf of maine scuttlebut

    Nice, MHOB is definitely the way to go.
  13. Gulf of maine scuttlebut

    Nice! Fellow Maine team showing the West Coast how it's done in NEISA!