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    Fucking parasites

    Some of the weird dynamics in particularly well funded big boat programs includes: 1. winch hugging when new/short term crew come on for a race. Normal position holders gravitate to their spot on the boat and cling to it. Tenaciously. 2. New owners being chased by sharks - this can be both the industry pros seeking/needing to establish their position, as well as the occasional entire gypsy crew from another program either looking for a new ride or re-grouping from a recently retired owner casting them adrift 3. Borderline obscene fealty to owner (see #7) 4. Crew who only know how to do one position. They often do that position well, but wow, they always lack a full boat, race, regatta, world perspective 5. Program sailors. Even more narrowly, those who only know how to do one position on one boat. 6. Inability to deal with changes in crew. This is usually due to too many #4 and #5 type sailors who can't stretch to accomplish a larger or different set of roles when the situation requires it 7. Boat politics. Not to be confused with actual politics. The amount of ass kissing, jockeying for position, back-stabbing, and alliance building can be staggering With the right owner and crew, it is one of the best experiences in life that you can have; regardless of who is paying for what part of the check. Sailed on both owner pay everything boats and a blended models with crew buying food, lodging, travel, drinks, and even sails. Both can be great as long as you ferret out the d-bags and posers. I wouldn't trade experiences, memories, and friendships created on any of those boats for anything. The good news is that if you are an owner with a bad crew, you can work through changing that. If you are a crew in what feels like a bad setup, leave and find another ride. If every ride you find is like that, take a close look in the mirror.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    The class has stated that the boats they have now reviewed are class legal. Essentially, they grandfathered all the non-complying boats in without using "grandfathering" language. If you look at the latest boats from ZIM, LP, and the previous batch of actual C420s from PS2000, you will notice very significant design differences that are easy to see. Latest ZIMs do not have all the same shroud lengths as LPs, PS2000s, and prior Zims. The masts themselves fit.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    I should add that I don't believe the class should go back and throw a flag on any past violations. However, they really need to put a strong governance framework in place if a repeat of this summer's shit show is to be avoided.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    There is a strong evidence that every single builder has violated the class rules and the class has never flagged any of those violation. Until now.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    my ask from Mr. Clean was related to his thoughts on the class's exposure to legal decision forcing them to accept these boats.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    In China. Yes, that will definitely happen...
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    Saving Sailing (Really)

    Have spent a lot of time thinking about this and doing what I can to get people out sailing. Community sailing programs are excellent and growing. They provide a better entry point to sailing and developing real skills than the old school process of finding an owner to sail with that you like and can learn from. A new sailor who walks in with a goal like wanting to race or bareboat can set out a plan of leaning and experience to do just that. And it is fully his or her experience. Lives are differently paced now and with many other distractions and obligations. Expectations for husbands/wives fathers/mothers are different. The guys who owned the boats I raced on at 18/19 years old 30+ years ago don’t exist anymore. They were married with kids, but every Wednesday night, Saturday, Sunday, and some entire vacations, they raced their boat. Many times without any member of their family. Very difficult to do that anymore, for anyone. there are plenty of places doing it right that we can all learn from. Boston Northshore? Check out Thursday night racing in SALEM Sound. 30ish boats, drinks and prizes after each day of racing. People love it. Boston harbor? Checkout Boston Sailing Center and Courageous for Tuesday and Thursday night racing, plus frost biting with 16-20 boats (J24s at BSC, Rhodes at Coyrageous) on the line every Saturday. Long Island Sound? Cedar Point YC. ‘there are plenty more. Who else has a one or more example?
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    Not a lawyer, and I’m sure my language is all wrong and filled with layman wishful thinking, but using the right legal arguments, do you see a potential path there?
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    At the moment there is one builder, Zim. LP may have boats sometime next spring. Good news is that there is a non-c420 market for almost C420s. Bad news is that the boats are not going to trade close to their purchase price.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    The resin infused boats are not lighter and there has been zero testing to determine the boats' relative performance characteristics. Having said that, they are clearly violating class rules and they should never have been built. Would have been nice if there was a measurement and cure route, but that pathway has been closed. The class has already grandfathered other builders' "illegal" design changes in order to keep the class whole. The class will NOT willingly accept the PS2000 boats in. However, it does seem possible, maybe even likely, that, given the class's lack of controls and allowances made to other builders, a court of law might view the class measurer's ruling as a capricious decision and require a process to be followed that could reinstate the boats. Could get interesting.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    sorry... lost track of who everyone is.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    This is starting to sound somewhat personal. How are you involved in this situation? Did you purchase a boat? Are you in the industry?
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    Boats are not lighter. We have 6 of them. They weigh in. that is not the issue. The core issue is infused construction methodology. Matt was definitely in the wrong and the boats very clearly cross a line. However, ALL of the builders have made changes that were not class legal. The class has decided to NOT pursue those issues and instead reset as of now. Perfectly reasonable approach to ensuring the entire class doesn't melt into slag. My point is that the class did not have a reasonable level of oversight. This is mostly due to its roots, but should be/must be addressed if this kind of situation is going to be prevented in the future.
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    Illegal C420 at Nationals

    True. However, the class hasn't enforced its own rules at all and there have been unapproved changes by every builder that created against the rules advantaged (either by cost, speed, durability, or other) boats. The line Sturgis crossed happens to have been very easy to see and the class chose that moment to put their foot down. They could have done so with ZIM and/or LP with some of the change they made, but didn't. So... here we are.