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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Of course you can always do it old-school -- with a kite-cam: Chris Humann's Dana 24.
  2. If that were the gold standard around here, Perry himself would be long gone. Forget Bob for the moment. You still haven't answered my question. I will paraphrase: Is Brent a damaged and delicate person who should not be taken literally? Should we treat him as we would some developmentally disabled person with Tourette's syndrome, and not respond to his outbursts? You know, treat him gently for his own sake?
  3. Russel, one of Brent's favorite themes is how none of us are qualified to opine on metal boats, or cruising, or gear, unless we have matched his supposed extensive experience in these areas. Of course this is a silly position for him (or anyone) to take, because there are many different types of experience and many different ways to acquire wisdom. But then in this most recent exchange, Brent launched into a rant about how bad saildrives are, based on what "a friend" told him. Brent has apparently never used, or worked on a saildrive. Some of us responded to this, based on personal experience and specific knowledge of saildrives. He also suggested that Bob may be accepting kickbacks for screwing his clients (I agree, not in a legally actionable manner, but it was still nasty and uncalled for, as well as untrue). I think you will find that most of the Brent-related content here follows a similar pattern. Are you suggesting that we not engage Brent in discussions, and not take issue with his at best misleading statements? Is he not of sound mind and body?
  4. Brent, you suggested that Bob might get a kickback from the saildrive manufacturers when he specifies one of their products, to the detriment of his clients. *That* was your nasty piece of work. Please don't act like an idiot.
  5. I'm trying to parse this and would appreciate some clarification. Are you claiming I implied that nobody wants to cruise full time??? I said nothing of the sort.
  6. Brent, please let me suggest that most of those boats are owned by people who do not wish to be full-time cruisers. Perhaps they enjoy doing many things, even possibly a career and family, and use their boats whenever they feel like it.
  7. I admire the way this tells the pirates "Back off, jack. We've got cannons!" From a distance they can't see it's just paint!
  8. I think Armido actually went sailing. Don't know what happened after that.
  9. If you are reading and posting strictly for informational purposes, then yes, I can see the merit of this policy. But it is often said that SA is like the neighborhood bar, where people go to talk and enjoy themselves. That's how I use this place. The meta-discussion is often the best part. Evens, are you still sailing? I thought you had headed inland with that proverbial oar over your shoulder...
  10. That photo was actually our first time out in the little boat, so the sails were fresh out of the bag. It takes a bit of wind to get my big boat started, so I am always amazed at how sensitive the sailing dinghys are.
  11. Just show him this poster: It certainly made an impression on me, way back when...
  12. Our new Gig Harbor "Point Defiance 12" on a very calm day:
  13. Proa, Bob is far from the only person engaging Brent in that thread, although Brent does seem to aim his personal attacks at Bob. And yes, Bob fires back with both barrels, but usually with some sort of substance. I for one don't think that Bob needs to respond to Brent, but if you attack a man's family and character then you deserve whatever you get in return. But are you saying that my (for example) interest is "bloodthirsty"? Do you see us as attacking a poor helpless Brent, who is somehow forced to endure our taunts and derisive aggression? Or do you think that Brent is some disturbed simpleton, and rather than take him at face value we should instead treat him with pity?
  14. I am afraid that Brent will somehow convince me that my life has been wasted with this career/family/friends crap, and that I should have chucked all that when I was 20. Also, whenever he goes on and on about his environmental sensitivity I wonder why he stopped there. Perhaps he can apply Toyota's new technology to his designs and *really* reduce his carbon footprint:
  15. Steve - Very nice! Did you get back before the big winds hit? 45 kt gusts in Friday Harbor around 7:00PM today.