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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

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  1. How long to wait for corrected results?

    Rule 35 TIME LIMIT AND SCORES If one boat sails the course as required by rule 28 and finishes within the time limit, if any, all boats that finish shall be scored according to their finishing places unless the race is abandoned. If no boat finishes within the time limit, the race committee shall abandon the race.
  2. 2017 Rules Rule 69

    Rule 69.1 (k) If the protest committee decides not to conduct the hearing without the person present, or if the protest committee has left the event and a report alleging a breach of rule 69.1(a) is received, the race committee or organizing authority may appoint the same or a new protest committee to proceed under this rule. If it is impractical for the protest committee to conduct a hearing, it shall collect all available information and, if the allegation seems justified, make a report to the national authority of the person or, for specific international events listed in the World Sailing Regulations, to World Sailing
  3. 2017 Rules Rule 69

    Case 73 http://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/cases/1057
  4. How long to wait for corrected results?

    With one boat races, it looks like pretty low key. Given that you have politely drawn their attention to the problem, maybe you could wait until they publish the pointscore and see if they've got it right then. The formal way to get it fixed is by requesting redress. Rule 62.2 requires that written requests for redress, other than based on an incident in the racing area, shall be delivered as soon as reasonably possible after learning of hte reasons for making the request and that the protest committee shall extend the time if there is good reason to do so.
  5. Marklayers get too much shit from coaches

    You don't need to do that. The 2017 RRS do it for you. Definitions: Support Person Any person who: (a) provides, or may provide, physical or advisory support to a competitor, including any coach, trainer, manager, team staff, medic, paramedic or any other person working with, treating or assisting a competitor in or preparing for the competition, or (b) is the parent or guardian of a competitor. Rule 3 ACCEPTANCE OF THE RULES 3.1 (a) By participating or intending to participate in a race conducted under these rules, each competitor and boat owner agrees to accept these rules. (b) A support person by providing support, or a parent or guardian by permitting their child to enter a race, agrees to accept the rules. Rule 60.3 A protest committee may ... (d) call a hearing to consider whether a support person has broken a rule, based on its own observation or information received from any source, including evidence taken during a hearing. Rule 64.4 Decisions Concerning Support Persons (a) When the protest committee decides that a support person who is a party to a hearing has broken a rule, it may (1) issue a warning, (2) exclude the person from the event or venue or remove any privileges or benefits, or (3) take other action within its jurisdiction as provided by the rules. (b) The protest committee may also penalize a competitor for the breach of a rule by a support person by changing the boat’s score in a single race, up to and including DSQ, when the protest committee decides that (1) the competitor may have gained a competitive advantage as the result of the breach by the support person, or (2) the support person commits a further breach after the competitor has been warned by the protest committee that a penalty may be imposed. 69 MISCONDUCT 69.1 Obligation not to Commit Misconduct; Resolution (a) A competitor, boat owner or support person shall not commit an act of misconduct.
  6. Marklayers get too much shit from coaches

    3. Are Marklayers the unsung heros of the sailing world? 1. Do they get too much shit? Personally, I've never seen a mark-layer get dumped on by a coach. Standard of mark-layers varies enormously, from consistently excellent to downright abysmal and clueless. Sometimes I think PRO's are too soft on the terminally clueless. That said, no race official should be expected to put up with abuse from competitors or support persons. 2. Should Marklayers have powers to give penalties to the coaches team? Absolutely NOT. Its no business of anybody on or on behalf of the race committee to be 'giving penalties' to anybody on the water, except for the scores determined by the race committee in accordance with rule A5. There are special rules introduced in the 2017 version of the RRS for dealing with coaches and other support persons which allow the boats with which they are associated to be penallised. See this thread http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/180043-2017-rules-support-persons/&do=findComment&comment=5611464 These penalties can only be imposed by a hearing called by the protest committee.
  7. Racing Rules question

    True - but what is the penalty - turn penalty, 1/2 or 1 point. Depends on the severity of the damage. Penalty for serious damage is applied in accordance with rule C8.6 quoted in full upthread. Penalty for serious damage is applied after the match, and is in addition to the on-water penalty for the underlying breach originally signalled by the match umpires. Shown below if the 'scale of charges' prescribed in the Standard SI for Match Racing. Level Extent Effect Level A - Minor Damage Does not significantly affect the value, general appearance or normal operation of the boat. Boat may race without repair although some minor surface work may be required after the event. Repairs should not normally require more than 1 hour of work. Level B - Damage Affects the value and/or general appearance of the boat The damage does not affect the normal operation of the boat in that race but may need some (temporary) work before racing again. Requires more than 1 hour of work but should not normally require more than 3 hours of work. Level C - Major Damage The normal operation of the boat is compromised and its structural integrity may be impaired. The boat will need some repair work before racing again. Requires more than 3 hours of work. Point Penalties - to be applied without a hearing (this amends RRS C8.6); Level Round Robin Knock Out A None None B Half point Three quarters of a point C One point One point When both boats break RRS 14, they should both receive a points penalty. If a competitor requests a hearing when a points penalty is imposed, the protest committee may decide (in the hearing) to give a greater penalty.
  8. Racing Rules question

    Very rare for an OA to deduct damage deposit without a penalty having been awarded.
  9. Racing Rules question

    Yes and no. You're correct as to the rule wording. However, if you go on the match racing tour, trading a little paint is not considered real damage and won't get you flicked. In Saturday afternoon round-the-bouys, people get a lot more upset and flicks will happen. That's why I said the rules are handled differently. Sadly I''ve never been 'on the tour', but: no IU I've ever paired with has ever suggested dealing with contact with damage in any other way than sending it to the damage panel; and every umpire exam I've ever sat has included problems where if you did not say 'send damage to the panel' you would be marked wrong.
  10. Racing Rules question

    Assuming that it's a port rounding mark, very hard for a boat approaching on port and tacking around the mark to get involved with a boat still on port before the starboard tacker has begun to bear away below close hauled course. For that to happen, the port tacker would need to be way above the port tack lay.
  11. Racing Rules question

    Absolutely no exception to rule 14 in Match Racing. In MR, a boat that breaks rule 14 with resulting damage may be penalised additionally to any on-water penalty. Rule C8.6 When the match umpires, together with at least one other umpire, decide that a boat has broken rule 14 and damage resulted, they may impose a points-penalty without a hearing. The competitor shall be informed of the penalty as soon as practicable and, at the time of being so informed, may request a hearing. The protest committee shall then proceed under rule C6.6. Any penalty decided by the protest committee may be more than the penalty imposed by the umpires. When the umpires decide that a penalty greater than one point is appropriate, they shall act under rule C8.4.
  12. Rule 17 - Proper Course rule question

    As I TJSocal and I said before: Firstly by your diagram, you were never anything but overlapped throughout the whole scenario. Supposing that the overlap had been broken during the gybe, once you were being luffed, you must have been again been overlapped. If the luff began outside the zone, and when L curtailed her luff and bore away to the mark and you were inside the zone, then you must (necessarily) have been overlapped all the time the luffing took place and you must have been overlapped when the first of the boats reached the zone so rule 18.2( b ) applied. if the luff began inside the zone, maybe (most unlikely) you were clear ahead, or else you were overlapped when you reached the zone: either way rule 18.2 ( b ) applied. The only way you would not be entitled to mark-room would be if the other boat had got clear ahead of you before she reached the zone, which was maybe what she was trying to do, but by your description and diagram, left it far too late and didn't execute it (break the overlap) effectively when she bore away to the mark.
  13. Rule 17 - Proper Course rule question

    Brass, did you mean to say if the boats were overlapped when the luffing began ("just outside the zone"), then they must have been overlapped when the first boat crossed into the zone? I don't know how you could luff someone up without an overlap... My bad. Better now?