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  1. It's a perfect match, really. Bruce Farr boats are always fast and never win the cup.
  2. Ding ding ding, we have a winner! The best parts of Alinghi are wearing Oracle colors these days.
  3. The whole "sponsors are concerned we might get eliminated before getting to the main venue" thing seems vastly overblown. Teams have almost always been eliminated after the Rounds Robin, and sponsor exposure up to that point has always been underwhelming. The fact that the racing which will take the place of the Rounds Robin will now happen at a different location doesn't suddenly make it a less attractive prospect for a potential sponsor. It seems to me that holding that portion of the event at a different location, with the participant of the defender and cup match points on the line all make it much more interesting and might bring greater value to sponsors. Nothing has changed...if you suck and get eliminated early, your sponsors will not get their money's worth.
  4. Except Oracle fucked up big time plus plus with their original floppy penis design - they were 180 degrees offcourse in stupidity/ineptitude. So your supposition is weak.Interesting to hear that Larry threw 70 million at the boat by hiring hyper expertise in the last month to catch up. It was a close run thing - and yes, Oracle came out winner ... but did I say? - close run thing. Yes, the capsize was Oracle's fault. As were a number of decisions along the way that cost TNZ the cup.
  5. TNZ were very close to winning the cup, that's a fact. Here's a supposition that's hard to argue with as well: If OTUSA doesn't lose weeks of sailing time to the capsize, they reach form before the match starts and TNZ gets blown out of the water in humiliating fashion. Hypotheticals go both ways.
  6. TNZ also made two critical design choices that ultimately cost them: First, they went all in on stable foiling to the detriment of other aspects of their program (namely aero). The constant fiddling with beam fairings and pie warmers were desperate attempts to claw back some of the aero deficit they had relative to OTUSA. Second, they did not respond to the threat presented by Oracle's evident speed potential with their second boat. All of this speaks to the kind of mistakes that are made when you have someone dictating from above, where people engage in groupthink and are afraid to point out potential problems. The reaction to Oracle's package should have been "Jesus, if they ever get that thing stable it's going to be way faster than us." Rather than, "Foiling is our secret weapon, we discovered it and nobody can possibly catch us."
  7. Whether BB is the right guy is a worthy debate. But that Dalts isn't, in the same role he's been in since 2003, is pretty well established at this point. Grant's tough guy routine and authoritarian leadership style were just what the doctor ordered after the 2003 debacle, but it's not the right thing for the current situation. Authoritarian, top-down teams do not win the Cup in the modern era. It took Oracle two cycles to learn this and ditch Dicko.
  8. so in other words, you have nothing. put up or shut up? I have forgotten more about it than you ever knew, jackass. RC was promised he was actually getting control of the team but when he tried to bring in additional funding (Ernesto), he was told he could not. The trustees had an incredibly incestuous relationship with the "Family of Five" and were more interested in their business arrangements than what was best for TNZ. That's the short version.
  9. Your understanding of what happened in 2000 is incomplete and naive. Thank you for your kind and diplomatic response. However it is not my understanding - it is Tindall's. And he was the one who wrote out a cheque for $4m in 2000. He is not the type of guy who makes things up. If you know better - please explain. Why bother? You evidently think TNZ trustees from that time should have their word taken as gospel.
  10. Your understanding of what happened in 2000 is incomplete and naive.
  11. Perhaps. However, that isn't the America's Cup. It is as long as Oracle hold the cup.
  12. Rotating venues has always been part of the vision, as is commercial sustainability. Can't achieve either if venues negotiate with you as if they are the only choice.
  13. Newey expressed interest in AC design back in AC32. Doubt his participation will be meaningful, but it's certainly a heavyweight name that will help with credibility with sponsors.
  14. I don't think it's a tall order at all to expect AR to be faster at times...they're in a much more recent vintage boat. Whether they can get the most out of the boat is a different question.
  15. France appears to be lacking in the category most essential for modern AC campaigns: A billionaire willing to light tens of millions on fire in the pursuit of an ugly silver teapot.