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  1. ^ Agreed, America was very extreme for her time. I have helmed 4 different AC boats in tourist mode, in 4 different cities; but have not yet helmed any America replica. I think the difference between tourist mode and 1851 race mode is by far the largest there, just look at that rig - whoa! I did not have to be under sail when I grabbed the winged USA 17's wheel and looked forward, and up, to understand just how faking radical that creation was.
  2. Does this link work for you? NYT Archive AC Search I have a subscription and auto-login set, so let me know. If it does not, and if nobody beats me to it later today, here are the 30 very oldest archive articles, beginning with the oldest. If you select just a couple maybe I can pull them and post here. -- Your Search:NYT Archive Since 1981 NYT Archive 1851-1980 NYT Blogs Google/Web Multimedia NYC Guide Advanced Sort by: Closest Match | Newest First | Oldest First1 - 10 of 7,888 Results YACHTING.; The America's Cup--Additional Correspondence. [PDF] January 15, 1870 - Article THE KENTUCKY DEMOCRATS.; Tumultuous Scenes in Their State Convention The Ballotings for a Candidate... [PDF] A letter from Frankfort, Ky., to the Cincinnati Commercial, gives a graphic account of the scenes in the Democratic State Convention on Wednesday afternoon and evening. We quote a portion relating to the several ballotings for a candidate for Governor:... May 6, 1871 - Front Page The Coming Race for the America's Cup. [PDF] An unfortunate fatality seems to attend championship contests, so that no matter how friendly the spirit in which they are begun, they generally engender bitter feelings, lead to long newspaper controversies, and not unfrequently end by leaving two or mor... May 22, 1871 - Article Yachts and Yachting. [PDF] The regatta of the Atlantic Club, of Brooklyn, which takes place this week, and that of the New-York Club, which comes off on Thursday, June 22, will be the grand opening events of the yachting season. The list of cups and plate offered by the New-York Cl... June 13, 1871 - Article LOCAL NEWS IN BRIEF.; NEW-YORK. [PDF] September 30, 1871 - Article The Yacht Race for the America's Cup. [PDF] October 5, 1871 - Article THE NEW YORK-YACHT CLUB.; Election of Officers for the Ensuing Year--The America's Cup--Another Let... [PDF] The first general meeting of the New-York Yacht Club for the year 1872 was held at the club rooms on the 1st inst., Vice-Commodore WILLIAM P. DOUGLAS in the Chair. There was a large attendence.... February 5, 1872 - Article THE CANADIAN SLOOP ATALANTA.; NOT READY FOR THE RACE--AN EXTENSION OF TIME GRANTED. [PDF] October 7, 1881 - Article ARRIVAL OF THE ATALANTA.; THE CANADIAN YACHT THAT IS TO SAIL FOR THE AMERICA'S CUP. [PDF] November 1, 1881 - Article THE AMERICA'S CUP; THE COMING RACE FOR IT--THE ATLANTA'S COMPETITOR NOT YET NAMED. [PDF] Information was received in this City yesterday that Mr. Bell, the Secretary of the Bay of Quinte Yacht Club, and a number of other gentlemen from Belleville, Canads, are on their way to this City, and there is no doubt, therefore, that the first of the r... November 6, 1881 - Article TO-DAY'S YACHT RACE.; THE ATALANTA TO COMPETE WITH THE MISCHIEF OR THE GRACIE. [PDF] The first of the series of three races for the America's cup between the Canadian sloop Atalanta and the Gracie or the Mischief, of the NewYork Yacht Club, will be called to-day, no matter what may be the weather, over the New-York Club course. The yachts... November 8, 1881 - Article THE RACES WITH THE ATALANTA.; A FOG CAUSES THE POSTPONEMENT OF THE FIRST RACE UNTIL TO-DAY. [PDF] A thick fog hung over the Bay at 10 o'clock yesterday morning, the time fixed for the start in the race for the America's Cup. Light showers fell from time to time, and there was little, if any, wind. The Atalanta, in tow of a tug, arrived at the rendezvo... November 9, 1881 - Article THE ATALANTA BADLY BEATEN. [PDF] The first race for the America's cup resulted in a decisive defeat of the Atalanta. Both the Gracie and the Mischief beat her badly, the former 34:17 , time allowance (7:41) deducted, and the latter 28:30 . In fact, before one-quarter of the course had be... November 10, 1881 - Article SECOND AND FINAL VICTORY.; THE MISCHIEF BEATS THE YACHT ATALANTA BY AT LEAST FIVE MILES. [PDF] A bright day and a brisk wind cheered the hearts of yachtsmen yesterday morning and gave promise of a fine day's sport.... November 11, 1881 - Article YACHTSMAN'S GALA DAY; THE NEW-YORK CLUB'S REGATTA OPENS THE SEASON. [PDF] June 16, 1882 - Article Obituary 1 -- No Title [PDF] April 26, 1883 - Obituary THE YACHT AMERICA'S CUP; AN ENGLISH CHALLENGE FOR THE TROPHY EXPECTED. WORK TO BE DONE BY THE NEW-Y... [PDF] Ordinarily, American yachtsmen have not been lacking in astuteness, but there is reason to believe that dangerous tardiness marks the leading organization in America in reference to the work to be done in view of the fact that a challenge on behalf of an ... December 14, 1884 - Article FOR THE AMERICA'S CUP; CHALLENGES RECEIVED FROM TWO ENGLISH YACHTS. THE GENESTA AND GALATEA THE CHA... [PDF] The meeting of the New-York Yacht Club last evening was attended by more members than any other meeting in several years Commodore to James Gordon Bennett presided, and, in openinq the meeting, made a short speech ...... February 27, 1885 - Front Page CUTTERS VERSUS SLOOPS; THEIR COMPARATIVE MERITS AS SHOWN BY PAST RACES. [PDF] The challenges for the America's Cup of the Genesta and Galatea--the first, one of the most successful racers of the largest class of English single-masted yachts; the second, now building and designed expressly to beat anything ...... March 30, 1885 - Article YACHT RACING [PDF] No race in English waters, no matter how many the competing vessels, or how deftly handled by professionals or amateurs, will excite one tithe of the interest which will attach to the race for the America's cup.... April 5, 1885 - Article MAY MAGAZINES. [PDF] Harper opens with an unusually interesting illustrated article on "Espanola [a town in New-Mexico] and its Environs." One of the views shows "the dear old adobe church at Santa Cruz"--an edifice which was built in the year 1610 by a company of Franciscan ... April 27, 1885 - Article THE PRISCILLA ARRIVES.; A DESCRIPTION OF THE NEW-YORK YACHT CLUB'S RACER. [PDF] The iron centreboard yacht Priscilla, which will represent the New-York Yacht Club in the international race for the America's cup in August, arrived in this harbor yesterday in tow of the tug Ocean King. She was taken to Poillon's ship yard at the foot o... May 27, 1885 - Article AROUND THE LIGHTSHIPS; YACHTSMEN ENJOYING A PERFECT RACING DAY. THE BOSTON SLOOP THETIS'S CONTEST--... [PDF] The Athletic Yacht Club's first regatta of the present season took place yesterday under the most favorable circumstances. The air was cool, but not uncomfortably so; the sun shone brightly, a brisk wind blew from the north ...... June 10, 1885 - Article THE AMERICA'S CUP.; PREPARING FOR THE CONTESTS WITH THE ENGLISH YACHTS. [PDF] The New-York Yacht Club held a special meeting last evening to receive the report of the committee on the America's Cup and to fix the time for the annual cruise.... June 17, 1885 - Article THE GENESTA OUTSAILED; CRACK AMERICAN SLOOPS LEAVE HER WELL IN THE REAR. THE PRISCILLA AND GRACIE B... [PDF] NEW-BEDFORD, Mass., Aug. 5.--The NewYork Yacht Club fleet had another splendid sail to-day from Newport to this place. Twentyfour yachts started, and there were half a dozen more which sailed over the course without crossing the line, so the fleet was alm... August 6, 1885 - Article THE AMERICA'S CUP. [PDF] On Tuesday it seemed clear that the representative American yacht in the races for the America's Cup was to be the Puritan. In a stiff breeze and in a sea-way the Boston sloop had the day before beaten her New-York competitor eleven minutes in a race of f... August 7, 1885 - Editorial THE GENESTA'S COMPETITOR.; THE TRIAL RACES TO SELECT A YACHT TO PROTECT THE AMERICA'S CUP. [PDF] The trial races to enable the New-York Yacht Club Committee on the America's Cup to select a yacht to sail against the Genesta in her races for the cup will begin to-morrow and be continued on Saturday and Monday, and on ...... August 19, 1885 - Article NOT ENOUGH WIND TO RACE.; THE GENESTA'S RIVALS TO TRY CONCLUSIONS TO-DAY. [PDF] The first attempt to sail the trial races to determine which yacht shall meet the Genesta in her races for the America's Cup was made yesterday, but was rendered useless by a dead calm. After being towed down to the Scotland Lightship and lying there moti... August 21, 1885 - Article THE BOSTON YACHT WINS; LEAVING THE PRISCILLA TEN MINUTES BEHIND. THE WIND STRONG AND STEADY AND THE... [PDF] The first of the trial races between the yachts volunteering to defend the America's cup was sailed yesterday, and was a magnificent contest. It was a 20-mile beat dead to windward and a run home before the wind. The wind was strong and the sea exceedingl... August 22, 1885 - Front Page THE "PURITAN'S" VICTORY. [PDF] Melancholy as the confession may be to New-York yachtsmen, the result of yesterday's race indicates that to Boston will be given the task of defending the America's Cup against the Genesta. The Puritan clearly and unquestionably outsailed the Priscilla in... August 22, 1885 - Editorial Page « Prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | Next » -- Here are two examples, downloaded anyway since I went looking for the 90x90 article I mentioned. Didn't find it yet, and have to run. From the above: THE YACHT AMERICA'S CUP; AN ENGLISH CHALLENGE FOR THE TROPHY EXPECTED. WORK TO BE DONE BY THE NEW-Y... [PDF] December 14, 1884 - Article NYT_AC_DEC_14.pdf CUTTERS VERSUS SLOOPS; THEIR COMPARATIVE MERITS AS SHOWN BY PAST RACES. [PDF] March 30, 1885 - Article NYT_AC_MAR_30_1885.pdf
  3. And my intent with posting the EB interview was as a contrast. Thanks for taking the time to type this out, it's a good read. I have seen some turn of the century New York Times articles at their web site you may enjoy too. I posted George Schuyler's obituary article here in the forums, but there are several more America's Cup articles I noticed too. The NYT has scanned them as PDFs and made them available. One of them even talked about one desperate Brit's idea to design and build a 90-foot wide ship (!), apparently for better righting moment, shortly after the latest devastating defeat at the hands of the NYYC, circa the 1890's. It makes for some fun reading.
  4. The nationalism inherent in the above reminded me of this article, dated June 22nd: -- Sailing: Alinghi chief rides the waves of his America's Cup revolution By Christopher Clarey Friday, June 22, 2007 Ernesto Bertarelli is an exception to the America's Cup rule that challengers, wealthy or not, have to pay their dues. The Australian Alan Bond challenged three times before finally wresting the cup away from the Americans, in 1983 in Newport, Rhode Island. The New Zealanders, led first by the merchant banker Michael Fay, challenged three times before getting it right in a big way in 1995 in San Diego. But Bertarelli took a clever, controversial shortcut to the top: He hired the best helmsman in the game, Russell Coutts - at Team New Zealand's expense - and then won it all with Alinghi on his first attempt, in 2003 - also at Team New Zealand's expense. Bertarelli, an Italian-born Swiss, even sailed in the boat, and he will be back on board this time at age 41, without Coutts. One of the world's wealthier men, Bertarelli has had more than usual on his plate since the last Cup, selling his family's biotechnology company, Serono, for a reported $13.3 billion while remaining active with Alinghi and the planning of its America's Cup defense against Grant Dalton's Emirates Team New Zealand. Bertarelli recently spoke with Christopher Clarey at Alinghi's base in Valencia, Spain. There were so many strong emotions surrounding the Cup last time. Is this time more of a sailboat race? Well, certainly it has been that way for the last few years and just more recently, and, surprisingly so, Team New Zealand has engaged in some of the rhetoric and the old demons of the past. They are starting to speak again about nationality rules and stuff like that, and some Kiwis are going back to some behaviors. Obviously, it's less than last time because we're not in New Zealand, so it's a little bit unfortunate they don't embrace a more international approach, a more open approach to the sport. Especially enforcing a nationality rule, when three-quarters of their sponsors are international sponsors, is surprising to me. I don't know. Maybe it's the pressure of the match and maybe it's a glimpse into what I thought was a new team with a new approach to the game of sailing. You sound disappointed and surprised. I'm surprised because you know Grant Dalton managed to raise the capital required for his team from international sponsors. Alinghi could say the same thing. Alinghi could say we'll allow only national sponsors to sponsor the boat and suddenly he [Dalton] will not have any money to compete. It's the sort of thing you put forward as a show of weakness rather than strength. Why would you put restrictions on people to compete next time? So I would say it's very, very disappointing. On legal advice, we canceled the existing trustee interpretation and we provided a new protocol without restriction of nationality for sailors or designers, which had been the position for the vast majority of the history of the Cup. How did it happen that you lent money to Team New Zealand in the early stages of its campaign? Because we were in contact with several teams through America's Cup Management, we knew that he was struggling in putting together his budget and just helped him because I felt it was just right to have Team New Zealand in the Cup. They had been a big part of this event over the years, starting in Australia in Perth and obviously in San Diego, so I felt it would be a shame not to have Team New Zealand, just basically for, I guess, love for the sport, having as many strong teams as possible. In sailing terms last time, the New Zealanders had their problems against you. How do you see their team this time? They have brought two Americans, tactician Terry Hutchinson and navigator Kevin Hall, into their afterguard. Exactly. I don't know what Grant is telling his tactician when he's talking about nationality rules. I think they are a lot more focused on the sailing and a bit less on the design and I think it's certainly a better balance. They also have the benefit of the Louis Vuitton and the pre-regattas to make sure that if they had done any early mistakes, they'd be spotted and corrected. So I think it's going to be a much more solid team, even though last time I think they had a couple of unfortunate things happen to them, mainly as a result of their boat building. I think they had some very clever people and some very good ideas. It just didn't work as they planned. When asked how different Alinghi is without Russell Coutts, Dean Phipps and some other members of your crew said, "Very different." What's your feeling? He's a very strong sailor, so what we tried not to do was to try to replace him because no one is replaceable. We tried to build a team around people who were there last time and have done a step forward and filled the void. How has Brad Butterworth taken to his new role of skipper? I think he is doing very well, again with a very different style, but he's without a doubt the leader of the team. He's the one individual we can't afford to miss on the boat this time. He's a brilliant tactician and a brilliant skipper, so we were fortunate to have him step up and fill part of the void left by Russell, but other people did as well step up and contribute. Terry Hutchinson said the other day that Alinghi is very strong and has great technological strengths, but what he likes about his team is that the helmsman, Dean Barker, has been there before in the America's Cup and your guy, be it Ed Baird or Peter Holmberg, has not. How would you respond to that? I think we might have more people who have been there more times in the America's Cup than any other team and certainly more than Team New Zealand. It is correct that our helmsman has not helmed in the America's Cup but has helmed in numerous venues. Both of our helmsmen, as a matter of fact. And possibly that's our strength: the fact that we have two helmsmen who have a great deal of experience and are both very strong with very different styles. So a race is not won at the start. It's won at the finish, and what's important is to finish in front. The start is very important, clearly, but it's not the end of the race, and we're looking forward to meeting Dean. We have met in the past and he's certainly not someone we should fear more than anybody else. There are lots of different approaches to being a defender. Why this approach of keeping it open with the crew announcement until the end? I think one thing we don't have that over the years people have had is a defender series, and I think history has underestimated the importance of those defender series, which at the time were in the favor of the American side. I think being excluded from the competition, even for a seemingly short time, like two months or a month and a half, is very relevant because all things being said, that's probably our biggest weakness: the fact we did not sail the Louis Vuitton and are possibly less prepared to go in the America's Cup. It's a big advantage of the challenger to have had to go through all the hoops of getting there. What is your business analysis of where things are with this Cup? When we won the America's Cup, in 2003, when we received the account of the regattas, there was 100,000 Kiwi dollars [$75,370, or €56,300] in the account. This time, when the dust settles and we will provide the accounts of the regatta, there will be well north of €30 million, which is going to be distributed to the teams. Would it have been different if instead of Michel Bonnefous you had hired someone to direct America's Cup Management who was like him, with the same profile and experience, but who was not your good friend? Would that have changed the dynamic and defused some of the criticism of ACM and its management? I think it would have been very difficult if I didn't have the trust I have in Michel and the ability to sort out things extremely rapidly, because we have known each other for a long time. I think that has been one of the strengths of our relationship, that I could rely on him fully. I had plenty of things to worry about and wake up at night for at the time we started this venture, and he has delivered. Some team leaders have said that although they admire you, they feel that you were not as constant a presence this time with the sailing team and were in and out on the organization of the Cup itself. Is that accurate? I wasn't involved much differently than I was involved with the team or the event last time. Last time, I didn't have the event to care about, so obviously that meant a lot more work this time, but I have always believed that delegating to people who can do that on a daily basis, and better than me, is the way to go. I trusted Michel for the event and I trusted Brad Butterworth for the team, and it gave me the opportunity to come in and out of it and therefore care for other things. Since I sold the company, I obviously have a lot more time and can be a lot more involved, and that's a lot more fun for me than it was before. I wouldn't say that it's much different. I don't want the America's Cup to be my life and be the only thing I do. So If I want to do other things outside the America's Cup, I'm going to have to rely on people to do it for me and possibly do it better than me. In the case of Brad, there is no question: He's a much better sailor than I am. In the case of Michel, he did certainly better than I could have done because he was there full-time, and he has this resilience needed in order to achieve this sort of grand project. We built half a city here. You don't do that if you're not capable of taking a lot of heat. How is it to be the boss and sail with your employees? Is it a challenge to get them to speak their minds? I think that's a question of personality. I personally don't find it very difficult, because I enjoy going sailing and I enjoy being with the team and just being one of them. So it's not hard, actually. It's fun. I think I'm fortunate that I'm welcome on board. Will your role be different this time? I'm still involved with a bit of navigation but will do a bit more physical work this time. We are sailing the boat with one more person this time so there is opportunity to do things differently, obviously. So it's a little different but not too far from the afterguard. What will you do with the Cup if you win again? I feel - and we feel - very strongly that there's a lot of anticipation for the cup to stay in Europe. We feel responsible for that now, to keep it growing in what I think for the near future is the best place for the Cup. We need to win in order to achieve that, and we're concentrating on it. I think it would be difficult to make the same step forward that we've done last time. I think last time was a very, very big step forward, maybe bigger than people actually realize. I think with some perspective people will think of this edition as a revolution in the America's Cup. I hope we can continue this evolution now. I don't think we need to do a revolution. I think we need to continue this evolution towards achieving the goal, which is to have a sport that can earn its living, meaning that it can pay for itself. Because right now no matter how successful ACM will be - and, again, the net result will be between €30 million and €50 million - that money, if returned to the teams - and it will be returned to the teams - does not cover the costs of the teams. People like me, Larry Ellison, Patrizio Bertelli and a lot of owners and aficionados and real fans of the Cup have to pay for it. So if we want the sport to be more independent from individuals having to put their own money at stake, we need to get to a point like many international sports where we can generate sufficient revenues before the games. Do you already know where you are going next time if you win? I have some ideas, but I can't promise that we'll stay in Valencia, even though it's clear that it's a very, very good place for it. What about Dubai? Everything is possible, but the intention is to race again in Europe. We don't rule out Dubai, but there are very few chances. If you lose, will you challenge again in New Zealand? I don't know. I'll have to think about it. If Grant continues in the trend of being very insular, I might not decide to go. If he imposes a nationality rule, there's no way Alinghi can and will go to New Zealand, and I think it's the case for a lot of teams. Is that why you have lots of practice partners, including Luna Rossa? I don't think there are many people that want to go to New Zealand around this marina besides Grant Dalton. With the nationality rules? Or even period. I mean I think we've done that. I love New Zealand, and I really had a great time in the country. I love the people of New Zealand. My sister has a daughter who has a Kiwi passport. My kids are raised by a Kiwi: We have a New Zealander nanny. And you know, I'm very attached emotionally to New Zealand. It was a great experience. I just think for the sport it would be a disaster, especially if the Kiwis already, without having the cup, start speaking about rules in order to prevent people from competing. There's no incentive to want to go down there for the sport. I would go down there to play golf or to go hiking or just to visit friends, but why would we spend the money we're spending and the efforts we're putting in these teams if we're not welcome? Your life and background are so international. Perhaps that's why for you nationality matters less than it does for New Zealanders? Yes, but it's unfortunate that after we helped everyone, including Team New Zealand more than anybody else, participate in an international event, they turn against the hand that feeds them and go back to behavior that was rather shocking down in New Zealand and encourage it around here, whereas we have been more than welcoming. Clearly, what is fueling their team and their fans is a desire for some form of revenge. It's a big word but the right word here, I think. Yes, but I thought sportsmanship is what it's all about, isn't it? And revenge on the field, winning on the course, all that is fine. Actually, I wanted to give them the opportunity for that, but the stuff outside the field, it's not welcome. That's not Kiwi-like, in my opinion. Perhaps they think it wasn't sportsmanlike on your part last time, with Russell Coutts and other Kiwis going to work for you. Well, Chris Dickson was sailing for BMW Oracle, and a lot of Kiwis went to One World. --