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  1. AClass USA 230

    Fduck Foiling!

    BobBill is certainly entitled to his preferences in sailboats but the cat is out of the bag and IMO most junior sailors if they go beyond the Opti/420 learning curve and stay passionate about the sport are certainly going to want to try some type of foiling sailboat at some point. Get over it.
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    american tragic, is really the future

    Curious, Smackdaddy - chill out bro’s. I can appreciate the differences in my experience versus what Curious posted. When the Hobie Cat 14 came on the market, it was embraced as a beach toy that evolved to a OD racing class but a lot of the early Hobie sailors were beach sports players (i.e. surfers) who thought it was cool. There’s no doubt most wanted nothing to do with yacht clubs and yacht clubs wanted nothing to do with them so the battle lines were drawn and still exist to a large degree. In 2006, when I bought my Corsair tri, the very first reaction of most of my yacht club’s “rock star” monohull sailors was that the boat was radical, dangerous, handled poorly, and could not sail upwind. After demonstrating in many club races none of the above was accurate, most still held on to their perceptions even after we offered to let them come sail with us (and they would refuse). I can flip flop the scenario. In 1993 after being out of the class for 10 years, I bought a new Laser and started a serious campaign to race the Masters circuit. It was fun and successful (I tied for first at the 1994 Laser Master’s North Americans in Houston losing the tie breaker to Scott Young). I made new friends and enjoyed training hard. During that period I attended a multi-class event where we had Laser’s, sailboards (the Mistral OD raceboard), and beach cat’s (primarily a mix of Nacra’s). So I had good friends in all three groups. My beach cat and sailboard friends could not believe that I was sailing a Laser. In fact, I switched with Mike Gebhardt after the racing to let him take a spin on my Laser. “How can you stand to sail so slow!” But it was all in good fun and everyone enjoyed being with each other (the Laser guys especially liked hanging out with the girls sailing the sailboards and cats). That experience makes me think that a lot of the animosity and differences comes from the older establishment in our sport from both ends. I chuckled when the NYYC syndicate made the statement that the upcoming America’s Cup will bring the competition back to it’s monohull tradition. Oh really! The foiling AC75 is cool and exciting but it’s certainly not traditional. The AC75 represents the bleeding edge of sailing technology. Isn’t that what the AC is about?This makes Scott’s comments about it being a shit show seem oddly misplaced. He called the multihull AC competitions shit shows too so nothing new here.
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    american tragic, is really the future

    Well in all the years I raced sailboards and have been racing multihulls to the present, I’ve very rarely heard the sailors I was around shit-talking monohull sailors. Most of my compadres in the A-Class are ex-dinghy sailors and we share stories about our dinghy days. I’m the current class president of the North American Weta class and again many in the class have come from dinghies and some even from PHRF sailing. The tribalism I reference in my OP manifests itself primarily as a serious cold shoulder. I was the multihull council chairman for the GYA (Gulf Yachting Association) one year and at that time they were struggling to get participation in both PHRF and the interclub Capdeville competition raced in Flying Scots (averaging less than 6 boats at events). At the annual meeting when it was my turn to give my report, I was happy to report on two junior sailors (Taylor Reiss and Matthew Whitehead) who had travelled to Europe and placed 4th at the F-18 World Championship in a 160 boat fleet and also how their home club St. Andrews Bay Yacht Club had hosted over 50 A-Cats at their North American Championship with three GYA sailors finishing in the top five. At the conclusion of my report, I was met by stony silence from those in attendance. I figured it was not worth my time or energy to try to work with them any longer. I’m sure what you posted happens and it’s the reason we need leadership in both World Sailing and US Sailing to make sure all facets of the sport are equally embraced.
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    american tragic, is really the future

    There’s room for both in our sport. I started racing as a 13 year old in an old Finn, moved on to Lasers and then Snipes (won the Snipe Southerns and the Snipe Don Q Rum Keg in 1984) but the windsurfing bug bit (via the Mistral Superlight) and suddenly I was at events with over 200 sailors with at least one third being women. A totally different dynamic than my former dinghy and keelboat mates. I passionately raced sailboards including the 1988 Olympic trials on the Div. II board until 1989 and then got bit by the road bike/mountain bike racing bug. Got back into sailing in 1992 but via a Prindle 19 which led to a Tornado and another Olympic trials. I got an A-Class cat in 2001 and it’s now my first boat of choice and I am loving the foiling (even at 60 years old). I also own a Corsair Sprint 750 tri. I still love sailing on a nice dinghy (a Laser in 5-10 knots is still fun to me) and my wife and I love to cruise (did our honeymoon bareboating a Leopard 40 cat in Grenada). We plan to graduate up to a Corsair Cruz 970 hopefully in the next 2-3 years and use that boat for coastal cruising on the Gulf coast and being able to take it to cool places via trailering (Bahamas, New England, Great Lakes, etc.). My wife tried to race a Sunfish a few years ago but it was painful for her at 5’ tall and 100 lbs. We then got a Weta trimaran and she can sail and race that boat in 15-18 knots singlehanded. So I think we cover the best of both worlds in terms of performance sailing mixed with leisure/cruising. With all that said, it still blows me away at how local and regional sailors on the Gulf coast where I live can be so fucking tribal and narrow minded. Their shitty attitude discourages participation rather than grows it. I was ostracized from them as soon as I started windsurfing in the 1980’s and basically wrote them off because I was having a LOT more fun with the windsurfing community both sailing and social. The same can be said for my experience with the multihull community. It’s pretty funny to me when my wife and I doublehand our Sprint 750 in a club PHRF race and do well and still get the cold shoulder from the “real” sailors (of which 95% are males, hardly any female participation) at the yacht club bar afterwards. Sailing is still dominated by a monohull and male intensive viewpoint that still regards sailboards, multihulls, and kiteboarding as a fringe of their mainstream. If the sport wants to grow, that narrow mindedness needs to become extinct but I am not optimistic. The Ed’s comments at times on the FP seems to reinforce that but I think Scott knows better.
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    Sandra Tartaglino RIP

    Did not know Sarah but certainly knew of her . What a loss to the sailing community. I can personally relate to this incident as I was run down by a quahoger on Narragansett Bay near Bristol YC while sailing a friend’s A-Cat 14 years ago. Destroyed the A-Cat and I came within inches of either dying or being probably being disabled for the rest of my life. I was extremely lucky. Keep your eyes open out there!
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    SailGP 2019

    Some of the most dramatic and exciting racing I have ever seen, I was totally absorbed. And the Ed disses it today on the Front Page??????? He sure behaves like a hater.
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    'A' Cat Worlds 2019 - get booked in!

    Sorry I am missing this one (house remodeling is eating my travel/vacation finances up this year). Hope the conditions are not the big blow that the Aussie worlds was. See Y'all in St. Pete next year. What's the venues for 2021 and 2022?
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    And close quarter racing on foils is probably the best chance to get the non-sailing public engaged in televised sailing. It is spectacular and exciting if the venue can produce at least 8-10 knots of steady wind. Not what the traditional yachties want to hear. I'm still amused by the comments made by the Challenger of Record and the New York Yacht Club after the Bermuda AC concluded that they were returning the AC to its "traditional" roots and then I look at American Magic. Yea right...…….
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    Larry's AC50 Circus

    Well I think the foiling A-Class has become a pretty cool fuckoff machine but what’s really cool is we hardly ever nose dive anymore, we just haul ASS. When it get’s really windy, you just put a lot of negative AOA in the rudders and you can have a pretty safe and still very fast ride. Good for us mere mortals (especially when you are 60 years old!). Love SailGP, thanks Larry and Russell.
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    The VX Evo

    I raced Lasers for 12 years, did two WC’s in the 80’s (Kingston and Gulfport) and almost won the 1994 Masters NAC (tiebreaker for 1st). I have a lot of love for the boat and the class (was D14 chairman for 4 years). What frustrates me is the hull design and foil design are timeless yet the boat has never really been updated as in carbon spars, a better sail design/construction, and better laminate construction. It could have been done in planned phases without killing the class. Sorry, but it’s ridiculous what you now get at the price they charge for a new boat and you have to have new boat sales to sustain the class. I think being an Olympic class has a lot to do with sustaining the class’s future. At the level I raced the boat, the decks and cockpit laminate always started to come apart after two years of racing the circuit. I bought 4 boats to stay competitive in that time period. YMMV. With all due consideration, if I was in the market for a new singlehanded dinghy, the EVO, RS Aero, and M-14 would certainly get first look over the Laser.
  11. Hey Wess, Thanks for the feedback. I am in line with a lot of your comments. I think the 970 is really the way we want to go due to the better headroom design which is huge for cruising. On your comment about the shower/head, I would assume that might be because the stock 970 does not have hot water (?). I know hot water heaters are available but have to evaluate how practical/reliable they can be. We also would probably try to cruise with the "dry ice in the icebox" approach assuming we can find dry ice in the locations we want to take the boat. Refrigerators for a boat like this would be limited in size and another item to maintain. We do want to keep the boat as simple as possible and know that includes compromises. I think the approach to a boat like this safety wise is that as soon as the breeze builds to over 15 knots, put the first reef in and that takes a lot of the power out of the rig that can get you in trouble but still allows you to sail at double digit speeds. The 970 also has the benefit of high volume floats. We do want spray protection sailing offshore so a dodger will be in the program. A bit concerned about security sailing in the aft seats in big seas and big wind. Thanks again! Bob
  12. Hi MH Anarchists, My wife and I are seriously in the market for a Cruze 970 to be used primarily for coastal cruising and potentially longer trips that may take us across the Gulf of Mexico towards the Carribean or perhaps Mexico. We are looking for real and practical feedback on cruising the 31 or even better the Cruze 970 but understand there is not a lot of data on the 970 even though we like its spec's over the 31. If we were in the market for a used 31, we'd be looking for the aft cabin US model. Appreciate any feedback and you can send PM if you like. Thanks! Bob Hodges - Covington, LA
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    The VX Evo

    About $18k for a complete boat with nearly all the bells and whistles. It’s a good value when you compare it to a fully kitted Laser that has a limited competitive life and is low tech compared to this boat. Rod, what about marketing the boat as the ideal guy/girl, girl/girl, adult/kid, or in general small person doublehanded where I would think it could be fun if the combined crew weight stays less than around 280lbs max? Good luck. We need more boats like the Evo and the Weta to bring apparent wind sailing to the masses.
  14. I stayed up and watched nearly all of this racing and loved it but time and technology move on and I enjoyed the action of San Francisco and Bermuda a lot more. Sorry mate, I disagree.
  15. You know, as a dinghy racer that became a multihull racer back in the early 90's, I'm really thankful that Larry Ellison had the balls and money to bring multihull racing technology into the America's Cup and we saw a run of three AC events in a row with spectacular boats and racing. Especially given that we saw probably the most exciting America's Cup ever played out in San Francisco on foiling 72' cats with a comeback that will be legendary in all sport. The naysayers were put to bed when these spectacular sailing machines began foiling through tacks and the helmsman and tacticians on the boats had to make split second decisions with position changes that could happen in seconds. While I was disappointed that the finals in Bermuda was so lopsided because TNZ did such a magnificent job with their technological advantage, the challenger series was amazing to watch. So I just want to puke when for the upcoming AC event the defender, challenger of record, and most recently the only American challenger all use language that they are returning the America's Cup to it's "proper roots". What they are trying to do is to create a monohull that can equal the amazing performance of the AC50's which were incredible sailing machines. Good luck but you know the bar has been set. I find all Terry Hutchinson, Phil Lotz, Grant Dalton, Hap Fauth, Luna Rossa, and others are doing with their statements is alienating a cross section of the sailing community. Guys, I get it that you like the AC in monohulls and again I'm thankful that we saw three AC events in technology I can really relate to but your comments come across as arrogant, ignorant, and a poor attempt at putting down the spectacular AC events we got to witness over the last decade. Given that, I'll probably be rooting for Sir Ben and his team on Ineos. They are hot and heavy campaigning a foiling GC32 catamaran which I think is going to better prepare them for the AC 75' foiling monohull than the other teams that are out sailing TP52's!