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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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  1. VOR Leg 4 Melbourne to Honkers

    Bad news indeed. World news will pick up on this tragedy and bring down the sport we love.
  2. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    LP will have to defend itself in other ways as well: The (One Person Dinghy) Olympic events will be reviewed according to World Sailing's Antitrust Policy.
  3. Eight Bells Vic Manning

    Yes, very sorry to read that. Met him a few times at Sunfish regattas; most recently at the Sunfish Nationals in Lewes DE (2016). Always helpful; we have lost a true supporter of the sport. My condolences, especially to Pat (his spouse).
  4. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    In the latest (Winter 2018) Laser Sailor Andy Roy (Chairman, ILCA North America) wrote the following: ILCA continues to have challenges in its efforts to establish a positive working relationship with Laser Perfomance. By now most Class member have experienced Laser parts supply issues. This has been a significant problem for both dealers and sailors to obtain boats, sails (although this has improved from what I understand) and various parts. We continue to encourage LP to improve this situation and the ongoing relationship in general, but it continues to be frustrating and also confusing to understand LP's business objectives and the message it is sending to Laser sailors. What's unusual is that the Class Association's objective, at the World, Regional and District levels, is to operate as non-profit organizations that ultimately (and indirectly) promote LP products through the organization of events where these LP sold products are needed and used by the participants. From a monetary perspective, the Class' use of the Laser name and logo is solely to the benefit of Laser Performance's business. The highlighting is mine, not Andy's! Not that the tone of the above is close to many views expressed in this thread.
  5. What Are Your Sailing Goals for 2018?

    Not die on my Laser Improve my racing with the goal of finishing in the middle of a fleet of 'seasoned' Masters
  6. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Not really relevant, but since it has been mentioned twice in this thread The ISCA Class Office isn't in California anymore It was moved to Daleville AL about two years ago and is run by a multiple World Champion and his spouse (or vice versa).
  7. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    The thread has gone off topic once again. Maybe we should all chill and wait for the 'Town Hall Mtg' next year and see what will develop.
  8. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Not a financial guru, but we are writing about LP, not the Rastegar emporium. And those numbers (outdated) do look bad. Moreover, just about anybody that has paid attention is aware that LP has been slow (trying to be nice here) to pay its bills, which in turn, has led to the unavailability of crucial legal parts (sails come to mind). And hulls are only delivered when paid for. Does that sound like a business with oodles of money in the bank?
  9. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    My brain jibed unexpectedly overnight and can now explain the craziness generated by LP 1. LP is in serious financial trouble https://companycheck.co.uk/company/00922893/LASERPERFORMANCE-EUROPE-LIMITED/financials 2. LP wants to get rid of its asset that has underperformed the most, which happens to be the Sunfish 3. To sell the Sunfish brand for as much as possible, they want the trade name (IP) included in 'the package' Or maybe I am just slow in the head, as I am in racing And yes, Jim Clark may just be the guy to take over the brand. His wife enjoys sailing as well, I have heard...
  10. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Having boats available in the showroom helps a lot with selling them. For instance, APS (Annapolis) used to have a few Lasers and Sunfishes sitting on a rack in their lot. Just looking at them made me salivate, and I might have bought one with some persuasion (and a full wallet). But the last few years, I haven't seen any LP boats on their lot while I was there. Did LP miss taking salesmanship 101?
  11. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    As I have argued before, and as many have confirmed in this thread, LP has lost its corporate rudder. About a decade ago, LP did make a real attempt to expand Sunfish sailing around the world. I remember pictures of the boat at the London boat show and targeted advertising to go along. But I doubt that many sales resulted and it appears that the attempt fizzled out. In the meantime, other dinghies have appeared on the scene (RS Aero etc). Hence, the attempt to make the Sunfish a worldwide brand is ludicrous, based on history. Bill Crane should be aware of this... PS: the South American market appears to be strong, based on the fact that the Sunfish is a PanAm Games boat. But this only happens with the cooperation of World Sailing. LP BEWARE or you will loose that market as well...
  12. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Even though I don't understand what the fracas is really all about, I thank IPLore for trying to build bridges. What I do understand is that LP lost focus on what makes money for them (selling boats and parts). As an aside, this past Sunday about 20 Laser sailors spent some 3 hours frostbiting. I estimate that about half the fleet had something illegal on their boat and NOBODY CARED. LP can only thank itself for a major lack of business acumen that resulted in this state of affairs. Same can be said for Sunfish racing and the ones that don't race Sunfish REALLY don't care about the origin of the parts on their boats.
  13. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    Yes, LP didn't just discover that selling to resorts and sailing schools should be the new focus of their business. As pointed out above by R Koch, they (and the predecessor companies) have been doing that for decades. And they would also know that the racing crowd is only a small part of the Sunfish market. As an aside, many resorts have dropped the Sunfish, and now favor Hobies; probably because they are more stable and friendly to newbies.
  14. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    More in general, it appears that LP has lost sight of how to run their business. What's the business? Making and selling Sunfish (and Lasers, but we won't go there right now) at a profit. Starting a 'fight' with ISCA and paying legal fees to law firms isn't helping and in fact is hurting the business. No MBA required to understand this.
  15. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    This discussion is going for the wrong mark..