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  1. 1 hour ago, MastaVonBlasta said:

    They've wrapped the bow in a long yellow inflatable blanket to add plenty of buoyancy for the tow back to the dock. 

    Can't wait to find out one day what exactly happened :D

    I'm betting on something internal dislodging, because of:

    - high deceleration when footplanting and slam happened 

    - carbon fibres visible seconds after hull slammed down 

    - no indication of cracking/folding towards the inside 

    - opening was probably large - TH commented they noticed right away that they were deeper in water than they'd expect; despite running several pumps, quickly adding floats the whole salvage was kind of touch & go... 

    - no sign of severe structural damage close to foil attachment dimple - this hole is not connected to it 

    -opening shape could be matching unstiffened part of hull skin (transverse rings and longitudinal stringers defined what panel popped off) 

    - hull panel was fished out of the water


    Another possibility:

    The accumulator high-pressure connector was knocked off upon hull contact with water, and anyone who's witnessed a pressurised dive tank topple over and get the connecting valve knocked off won't forget it in a hurry!

    The accumulators are pressurised to 450bar compared to 220-230bar for dive tanks. That accumulator would be quite a lethal missile!!

  2. 1 hour ago, NorthofSouth said:

    So what would have happened if the second race had started towards the end of the window? I thought there was a 6pm cut-off time for the start of the second race with TVNZ flipping to DUKE if it ran over. 

    I'm still really confused how there was no way that there was either an existing official feed on YouTube or TVNZ (who had a reporter on the water giving updates during the news hour) could not have just simply continued, even if it was on something on pokey as Facebook Live. 

    RRs stated no races to start after 18:30hrs.

  3. 3 minutes ago, Xlot said:

    An outstandingly stupid comment - no mean feat, in your collection

    LR have on site Stefano Beltrando, the boss of QI Composites and the recognized top guy for damage assesment. I’m sure he’ll be made available

    They'll be protesting any outside help for AM :lol:. Really hope AM gets back and dumps the italians out in the semi of their Prada and sends them home. No fucking loss...

  4. To add to all the wild-eyed speculations, this is the depiction of the actual arm mechanical connections to the drum, and the hydraulic hardware, all mounted within a drop-in structure. A torpedo-shaped accumulator detached from its mount at impact could puncture that hull..586445569_Cantingsys1.thumb.JPG.008a2417db907908483f4818d2ba7d5d.JPG

  5. 2 minutes ago, MastaVonBlasta said:

    I do agree that when it footplants it looks as if a shock load is going through, the boat shudders....

    Perhaps that's when part of the seating of the battery got damaged (bolt, web, adhesive... ) and then when the footplant was followed by the splashdown the deceleration was enough to fully rip it off and send it flying forward

    Agree. Max decel would have occured when the hull slingshot onto water courtesy of the arm acting as pivot.

  6. There will be some life-time friendships forged from collaboration between boat-builders and support crews from fellow competitors to get Patriot repaired and back into the fray. Grant Dalton knows only too well how tough it was to repair Aotearoa in Bermuda, being so far from home, and despite there being another 5 competitors only Sir Ben stepped up with materials, etc.

    ETNZ will be making their facilities and resources available to AM as needed, as will Team Ineos. The whining Italians?? Who cares..





  7. These grabs from the Day3 Highlights video::

    Photo1 - Patriot on its still moving forward on its side, with no sign of damage:1557183316_Patriotholed1.thumb.JPG.8ee4017cc25433db2f8af17219182cd6.JPG

    Photo 2 shows shards of carbon fibre where the hole is, after the video freezes for a few seconds:1597631921_Patriotholed.png.a3bf1ec487a3516d31ca87c4c5e6423c.png

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  8. Nice piece by Magnus..

    Patriot’s Together

    It was drama of the highest order that stands up to anything that we have seen in Formula 1 or any other high-octane equipment sport. The American Magic capsize yesterday, however, showed another side of the America’s Cup and it’s a quality that sailors recognise worldwide and a code that every racing sailor signs up to. It is the Fundamental Rule 1.1 of sailing in the International Racing Rules and states: “A boat or competitor shall give all possible help to any person or vessel in danger.”

    1610881348000-4.jpg?w=1024 ©Ricky Wilson /

    As Patriot capsized, immediately an armada of chase boats was on the scene and this was quickly followed up superbly by all of the race teams lending every possible piece of support, equipment and manpower that they could muster to save the wounded American yacht. The New Zealand Fire Brigade came in with pumps and the Coastguard was on hand to lend assistance. Collectively, miraculously, everyone pulled together in American Magic’s hour of need and stabilised the lifeless, helpless, carbon goliath as it drifted holed and direction-less on the tide.

    Amidst the shock and sheer sadness of the situation, it was also one of the most magnificent sights of human compassion and determination that I have seen in the America’s Cup and all credit to every single person who battled so tenaciously to save the vessel.

    So often we get whooped-up into the rivalry of the Cup that it’s easy to forget that real people with real human feelings are involved. At one level this game is a cut-throat business played out by ruthless billionaires and swashbuckling athletes at the peak of their testosterone. But when it comes to it, it’s a human endeavour and remarkable when you get to see the Cup community come together as one. The sight of Pete Burling from Emirates Team New Zealand arriving on the scene and helping out folding sails says it all. This was the moment to put team dynamics and egos to one side and just throw everything at the unfolding, fast-moving situation. Brilliant.

    1610881348000-5.jpg?w=1024 ©Ricky Wilson /

    Patriot was some 10 miles out from the safety of the base and with the light fading this was no easy task. Getting the boat to shore in one piece was a feat of seamanship and a very long, slow process. Thankfully she’s ashore now, early on Monday morning and the damage can be assessed and the sailors can rest. You can’t help but feel for the Americans. This weekend has been so tough and so demoralising for everyone involved. The hopes of a nation and the hopes of the fabulous and esteemed New York Yacht Club were on their shoulders and yesterday they were performing so magnificently in the actual race that this is such a hard blow to take.

    My hope is that the team can get racing again and rise from the ashes, phoenix-like, from the depths of not only the Hauraki Gulf but despair. They have twelve days to the start of the Prada Cup semi-final series, I am praying for their sakes that it is enough time to effect the repairs and get back out there. What a story that would be.

    1610881348000-3.jpg?w=1024 ©Ricky Wilson /

    Thankfully nobody was injured. The capsize was heart-stopping. Literally in the space of a few seconds, I think we ran through every possible emotion as watchers from 12,000 miles away. At first peel-off I genuinely thought they could save it. Then, almost in slow-motion, you could see the leeward runner jamming and as the boat catapulted out of the water like a Polaris missile, there was feint hope of saving the situation. I had my hands in the air then across my mouth, willing for the best but the inevitable capsize was a really hard watch. The situation that then unfolded was unbearable.

    Thank you to my readers for messaging links to view the situation unfold as the UK feed cut off and the official Prada Cup YouTube channel went off air. And a big shout out and well done to the excellent Live, Sail, Die Channel for streaming late into the evening on Instagram and Facebook as they miraculously kept their phone batteries from dying out on the water – great effort guys.

    This is the hardest moment for American Magic. It’s a real test of everything the syndicate stands for and believes in. Everyone wants to see you back.

    The story doesn’t end here.

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  9. 8 hours ago, Swanno said:

    Amazing they kept it afloat.

    I wonder if something internally became dislodged and sent through? I would have thought the slam would push the hull inwards and not smash a rectangle out.

    Each of the Torqeedo 48-5000 Battery packs powering the foil arm hydraulics weighs 36.5kgs - that's quite a missile if it dislodged during impact.

    Dimensions (L x H x B) 506 mm x 224 mm x 386 mm


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  10. 2 minutes ago, mezaire said:

    Hmmmm, interesting one that.

    It seems jerky as they raise it, you would think there would be hydraulic valves in place to stop it coming down via cylinder leakage or the like.  Perhaps you have to manually engage the solenoid valve to keep the foil up and this was not done? 

    I used to work in hydraulics but I daresay the lift/lower system on these foils are a fair bit more complex that your standard excavator boom!!

    If it was lowering on its own due to leakage across the pistons, you'd expect it to be a slow drift, not the steady lowering before it was raised. A seal failure would explain the steady lowering, which would also result in an inability to hold load when they needed it.

  11. 4 minutes ago, mezaire said:

    Ahh ok.

    Just seems like a big chunk of hull if it wasn't forced off the boat due to something ripping it off!!

    I wonder whether the force of 6.5 tonne crashing down onto the port foil twisted the arm drum mounting enough to take out the piece being carried by the guy in the photo. I think the entire foil arm mechanism is installed in a drop-in frame - it's conceivable that the force might have ripped the frame mounting causing a hole in the hull.

  12. There'll be plenty of boat-building expertise and materials providers ready and waiting to pitch in and help when asked. Structural repairs can be quickly assessed and co-ordinated: the electronics and control systems might take longer as they may not want outsiders involved, except perhaps neutrals from outside AC community.