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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Is this Nantucket harbor?

    It does have a resemblance to Nantucket harbor and the white elephant hotel but Hyannis is also a good thought.
  2. Dave, It can't be ignored that you don't have to worry about leaving enough money in the sale to help a retailer pay wages and rent. My "paying" job is to import and distribute ski equipment for the US. I'm in discussions with another ski company to bring them to the US but they have a direct to consumer model. They're happy to treat us as a retailer where they leave us a little margin but when we tell them we can build a larger presence for them in the US but we want to use retailers, they get cold feet as that means less money for them because there has to be money in a pair of skis for them, us, and the retailers. On a side note, I enjoyed walking the ski show in Providence with your dad a few years ago when I was working to bring Karhu skis back to the US and I met him to discuss the Rocky Mountain Sharpie. He brought the Clark skis and we checked out the show.
  3. Don't forget, part of that $6,500 you pay LP for a new Laser is because there's a retailer who makes money there and they need to keep the lights on. There's also money in there for LP to send you schwag for your local event, and to send a fleet of boats to a major event where they then make less margin on the well used boats. There are a lot of factors that go into selling a boat like this and everybody forgets about the marketing costs, the race support, the sponsorship...etc. When you have a direct to consumer model like the UFO, they cut out the retailer margin and the boat can effectively be cheaper. However, I really appreciate retailers and I think given everything that LP/Vanguard/Sunfish-Laser has done for our industry, I think $6,500 for a Laser is a smoking deal. That's no knock on UFO for their model but I highly doubt you'll see the boat stocked by West Coast Sailing ever. That said, it's not hard to start compiling a build sheet for your perfect single handed boat. Do it! Go through the exercise. We'd love to see what you come up with. Get that perfect laminate sorted out and get an approximate square footage so you can determine the material costs of your complete hull. I've done this for 505s and for the 210 class keelboat. I think you will get your eyes opened, and for that matter help everybody else who doubts the Laser, when you see just how expensive a single handed boat will be unless you can buy 1,000 of everything up front.
  4. Just say it Fugu, it's me! I say that all the time... Then again, we had an average of about 15 Lasers out each race night this Summer. Not bad...
  5. New 1975 FD

    I'm with Steam, go with all new hardware so you get full functionality without the hassle and ugliness of extra holes in the deck. You have an opportunity to have a classic pretty boat with all new rigging.
  6. J22 bottom & keel refinishing questions

    Our J22s are in for six months, never hauled, fresh water, temps in the upper sixties to low seventies and we've never had a blister. Conditions are a major factor, especially warm water, but I put the barrier coat on to protect against blisters and to work as a better binder for the bottom paint, it's working just fine.
  7. Barn Find Cal 40

    Here's a slightly nicer Cal 40 at Mass Maritime Cal 40 for sale - Mass Maritime
  8. Craigslist Finds

    Here you go, Gouv, a complete DN on Ebay. Complete DN
  9. Craigslist Finds

    There have been a couple of DNs on Ebay recently
  10. Craigslist Finds

    All good points. I bought a new 2004, then a Worlds charter 2009 and both boats I immediately pulled all of the hardware off and rebedded every fitting. It was always a shock how little 4200 was used. Hopefully the boat is still available and it was treated well. It kind of looks like it might be at a boat shop because there's a new Sunfish daggerboard on the deck which I assume they thought was a rudder.
  11. Craigslist Finds

    Good luck! Let us know if you get it...
  12. Foiling Moth Setup

    You should type Foiling Moth into the search bar on Youtube and satiate yourself on Moth videos. You will learn plenty. You can vary the main foil from the vertical through spacers/wedges that are jammed into the joint. The main foil vertical is relatively fixed in its angle of attack though I think Mach2s have two or three pin positions that you can vary it with and maybe other modern builds do too. Older builds like mine or Bladeriders have a single pin position so no variety in the angle of attack of the main foil vertical. I have a couple of wedges in my main horizontal to give it more lift.
  13. Foiling Moth Setup

    I'm a rookie at getting my head around everything too. I built my Moth and made a few basic mistakes along the way. There's a lot going on. It's funny when I let others sail my boat and watch them flail though...
  14. Foiling Moth Setup

    I wouldn't call the wand a passive adjustment, it's the active mover of the main foil flap. The Ride Height Adjuster allows you to fine tune the gearing so that you can lower and raise the boat as conditions permit. The rudder is a fixed unit but the twisting tiller changes the angle of attack of the whole foil and that adjustment happens in the head of the rudder.
  15. Buying a Star

    I wouldn't reach out to him to pick his brain. He bought the boat because he thought the new job was going to keep him around home and he could sail the weekly series but for now the job is a traveling job again so he didn't use the boat. I saw those boats. I'm sure they'd be fun to sail around but by time you have them safe and reliable, you could have spent the $4k and had no work to do.