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  1. Team NYYC

    The image of Terry Hutchinson on board Fauth's 72-foot Bella Mente just about sums their campaign up. Last year they mentioned with some pride that instigating a post-race debrief improved their performance.
  2. The Next Boat-----2020

    Next few days will be interesting then.
  3. Oracle Team USA

    NY challenge will be uncomfortable since his challenge is really directed at them - the establishment. From LE's pov their challenge became a fly in a web. A sign he was considering a challenge is many of the team are still training in the gym. Either way he'll be a serious threat and it will an interesting Cup.
  4. Team UK

    Plus they were specifically designed for Bermuda conditions. J cloths couldn't race if the wind was enough to blow out a candle placed on the end of Rhyde Pier - so went the joke.
  5. AC36 - The Venue

    http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup---Italy-a-better-than-even-option-for-Cup-Defence-venue/157627 Today. Any news from those parts re initiatives getting the Auckland base moving. Steering groups etc.
  6. AC 36 Protocol

    BAR is by no means in. Interested but not in. The protocol leaves quite a bit to be desired for any potential challenger outside COR. Entering does not imply becoming a stakeholder or even having a say. Entry is not till Jan 18th rules not till March 2018. That's a huge loss of crucial development not to mention potential commercial sponsors not being able to see what they are getting in terms of branding and ROI on the boats until 2019. There 's possibly an even chance of Auckland not delivering in time - nothings been decided or even looking like being decided in 4 months. Dalton seems to have dumped the entire hosting thing onto Auckland the Gov and washed his hands. The current business/sponsorship climate is very different since previous Ac's in Auckland. its tougher than ever to raise money. The marine business has no spare money as the hospitality industry. Southern Spars laid off 40 people just after ETNZ won the cup, and they built the winning boat. That Mr PB is one smart cookie. He's got the boat he wants, way ahead of every other challenger in development, even chance of holding the event in Italy, runs the Challenger series, sponsoring it, inside track on ETNZ with them owing him money and favor - don't underestimate that favor thing in Italy. Oh and there's MdN and Azurra the other Italian challenge - Three Italian billionaires. Food will be good.
  7. AC36 Auckland NZ

    So how much is hosting this event going to cost and who's paying for it. More or less expensive than Bermuda or SF
  8. AC 36 Protocol

    Team Tilt but not nes the Swiss team in the offing, along with another Italian Team beginning with A. Go back to GA's comment during the AC45 series to understand better his feelings re sailing for ETNZ.
  9. AC 36 Protocol

    He's with the Swiss challenge
  10. who won?

    Three Italian billionaires and Spithill if LR sign him up
  11. Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Twisted/flexed
  12. Team NZ

    Yep sorry really meant it dropped out of the headlines and by association revenues/audience numbers/exposure. During my film production days for a budget of $US4.5 mill, I'd be lucky to get $250,000 presale from AUS and NZ. MIght be able to raise $3 mill overall from world presales and deficit filled by other means. TV returns generally are the pits compared to film, sailing TV worse and AC in monohulls/classic match racing close to the You Pay US Network. Looking at the last AC the production budget could be in the $US4/7 million range and It would be likely they would have had to buy TV slots or at the very least underwrite certain costs for US network so maybe an added few million there. I know one film did the film equivalent and underwrote an entire US cinema chain. Fortunately, it did business and the financier kept his mansions. Somehow ETNZ/their TV bedfellow need to find a production budget of this level and would be looking to raise 70% of the budget by other means - equity perhaps through sailing/sponsor partners, but a tough sell for cash-strapped challengers. Billionaires don't like spending money, they might give the illusion but that's just show - MdN a typical example, spending very little for his return and influence. TV production, especially with all the whizbangs required and expected is not that cheap in NZ - from when I last looked at the numbers and decided to stay home.
  13. Team NZ

    You get jack shit selling broadcast rights in NZ. In fact rights get lumped in with Aus and its bugger all for both. If you're a domestic NZ producer you might get something from TVNZ but then they'll do it themselves and try and offload it in some TV market fest like MIPCOM or MIFED. Total worldwide AC tv rights won't get much more than 350,000 after sub dist and commissions, tops. Usually you'd horse trade another programme series or pay them to run it. Look at Uk TV in the last AC, It was dropped when BAR dropped out so bang goes those revenues. So now any team trying to raise broadcast coin from US, UK, France and Japan (the major territories), is stuffed basically and its going to cost an arm and a leg to produce it what with all those higher graphics, high tech shooting costs and post.
  14. ac36 mono hull knock-on effect

    It's all very well talking about teams and boat types but a large foiling monohull will blow the budget way over 100 mil. Remember V5 budget discussions, DC saying in 2005 he would need 100-300 million. The Volvos are one design, still cost 70/80 mil, and they have their work cut out raising 7 teams in whats a well-established sponsor friendly event. Non of the existing corporate sponsors outside ENTZ's want to go mono and don't even want to go to NZ. I dealt with a few largish corporate sponsoring a RTW sailing event some years ago and none wanted to sponsor anything based n NZ let alone a sailing event - the markets too small, too monopolized and too remote. Approach a few, pitch and then tell them their Euro top brass need 3 days of travelling to visit. They don't have that sort of time, full stop, door closed. Dalton's always had issues both as winner and challenger and now he's under a couple of Italian financiers thumbs. Corporate sponsors on the last AC were largely new and essentially sold on foiling/wingsail tech. It was a two-way performance relationship. From their POV there is no point in being involved with performance design and then adding twenty tons of lead.
  15. Potential AC36 teams get talking

    They are meeting next week. Believe its really more a series of events to utilise the otherwise worthless boats and keep sponsors on board in case monohulls return and make raising coin more or less beyond practical.