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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. TIMMAH!
  2. Not sure what they are up to but they definitely did fly a bunch of guys up there. Stranger though was a story I heard from a reliable source who told me that Oracle were cheating with regards to some construction rules. I figured they were talking about the last cup with the 45's but they said that it was just recent, and in regards to the foils. Made me wonder if maybe Oracle was behind the revisions to the foil rules - would be ironic no?
  3. Come on Mudzy, you'll be all over it. You taken up tiddly winks or something?
  4. Haha. Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night.ETNZ are fast! Take a close look at that boat. They are the only team i can see that doesn't have a wing sheet. Cycle grinders look super aero, they looked like one continuous shape today. Nothing sticking up and moving around in the airflow. GA and PB tucked in really low as well. Foils all riding super high in the water. She was screaming along, barely in contact with the water. I just don't see anything innovative on the other teams 50s. I'm sure there are innovative systems in play, but it's easy to get excited about a boat so outwardly different. ETNZ makes pulling on sheets feels old fashioned now. If nothing else it's one less piece of parasitic drag. take a closer look buddy the wing sheet goes inside the rear botom area of the wing and forward and down thru the mast base to the hydraulic ram in the beam.You can zoom in and see it in the earlier pics in this thread Ok sure buddy! What I mean is there is no wing sheet extending from the trailing edge of the wing to a winch on the edge of the cockpit, as there is with all the other teams. I'm not trying to say they have no internal control system for the wing....But ETNZ solution looks very aero and innovative. (Waiting for the"it's not new, been done here and here and here, dick" abusive reply. Why are people here so angry?!) They have been pushing the design boundaries. Do you disagree? <snip> But they are inferior in wing design and manufacture compared to BAR and OR. <snip> What is this opinion based on? Southern Spars is the most successful mast builder out there and they have the advantage of TPT
  5. Put it in human terms.Farr 40 OD approx 3000kgs Hull weight. +/-3% is 2910kgs to 3090kgs. Delta of 180kgs... That's not a small amount. Now same at +/-9%. 2730kgs to 3270kgs. Delta of 540kgs. Half a fucking tonne in the delta!!! So do you order multiple batches and an excess amount and pick and choose which batch is used where? I know at least one team has done this so they probably all do it.
  6. Gee you guys are really thin skinned if the media from little old NZ can get you all wound up. Maybe if the brains trust at OR could organise a piss up in a brewery the media could comment on things like the venue, race schedule or even what the boats will look like.
  7. incorrect, they were reporting, belatedly, on an interview from a senior team member(Australian), and you have been whining ever since. Carry on, the Kiwis will be along soon.
  8. only a couple of whiney little bitches so far, and they ain't Kiwis...just sayin'
  9. In the days leading up to the jury decision you were posting smack like an immature little boy but when the decision was announced you suddenly became very busy with "meetings" As a sore loser you are the last person to be calling out others
  10. Kiwi triumphalism, big on tempting fate. Wait until you've actually won, guys.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris Unfortunately there is a lot of it around at the moment. Be happy & confident by all means, but this is waaaaaaaaaaaay past that. If we lose this thing, their dream world will certainly come crashing down on them. oops, should have followed the pitch pole comment with (yet). Not sure where you get the idea that I think we have won already. Just replying to a cheeky post.
  11. ...boats that don't pitch pole, legal rudders
  12. This goes along with my point, although I'm not so sure you are correct when you say "carries the same engineering structure as Boat 1" (we already know they made changes to the hulls, as they are obvious, visually, and you would have to be pretty crazy to think they did not make major changes to the beams after the beam on Boat 1 cracked LAST SUMMER). But otherwise, you seem to see things the way I do, they had to make major changes to Boat 2, no matter what, after the collapse of Boat 1. There are a lot of reasons the beam on boat 1 failed. To say that it was structurally weak from the start would be conjecture and not fact. Remember, the first failure was because of tow testing without the wing, which adds significant strength to the entire platform. After that breakage it was repaired and was structurally flawed from that point on. The boat was then modified twice to increase lift, which put additional strain on an already compromised structure. All this talk about a poorly designed beam is just rubbish as far as the facts as we know them. The beam on the second boat was probably just fine, but AR, being a little spooked, tested the structure to 150% of the recommended load ratings according to their press release and added some beef to it accordingly. You are right. I'm not so sure that they necessarily had to do much change of the beam from Boat 1 to Boat 2. I'm not an engineer, and do not know how necessary it is to have the wing up for structural strength (personally, I would think that the beam should be built strong enough to handle the strain with or without the wing, but I'm not going to say that is 100% correct, either). But really, my point is that they had PLENTY of damned time, and plenty of resources, and plenty of reason to investigate whether they needed to make significant changes to the beam design/construction for Boat 2, and I think it is absurd for people to act like Boat 2 was going to be out there with some chinsy beam. And yet they had to add material to it to get it up to the load specs provided by the other teams. his whole thing seems to be a mystery to you, and you seem to be arguing that they would have been fine without the (to you) unnecessary additional safety requirements imposed on them. However it is fairly obvious to the rest of us. I'll say it again so that it helps you: AR demonstrably failed in their assessment of what is needed for safe sailing. In May they were sailing on an underspec boat which they believed was safe but that failed (LP said in an interview the beam failed during pitchpole). They were almost completed build of their B2 in May, which would have been built on the same false assumption about what was a safe specification. They therefore needed to add material to get their boat up to safe specification. The safe specification is based on design and actual load data from other teams who do (so far) have safe boats. They are overweight as a result of the additional material. They needed a dispensation because they are overweight. None of the other teams, who meet the same safe specifications, needed a dispensation. None of what they added is unnecessary - it is what they have to do to sail a safe AC72. Its just that they got it wrong right up until May, despite all their time and resources. And just so we are clear I still don't believe they are safe. From a systems point of view the failure is not just about one item that failed, but a failure in their team systems. I believe that they are still an unsafe team despite the material in their beam. Remember that they were pitchpoling already in their accident - if the beam hadn't failed there is still no guarantee that everyone would have survived or been uninjured. Team safety failure. ^this, just beat me to it. You have to imagine after the first break they would have had a good look at their loadcases before repairing it, and this would have fed into the engineering of boat 2. GG's assertion that they know what they are doing went out the window when B1 broke after the beams had been built for boat 2.
  13. I'm thinking this may have been worse if not for OR's crash. Safety was improved after this as teams began to realise just how dangerous these things could be when things go wrong. The TNZ rescue guys are experienced paramedic divers who among other things are used in the powerboat racing scene. I know they were asked to implement a bunch more safety requirements that had been largely ignored before the PP.
  14. Hang on a minute, he got them into this mess. If they were to win from this from here maybe I would agree with you, but at the moment they have a boat that is uncompetitive, a second in build that will have to be modified, and the flag drops in 4 months. Looks like another case of him wasting someone elses money, in fact it looks so familiar I wouldn't be surprised if they started to use green gennakers...
  15. Yes, but is SA your personal secretary ? Go google them like anyone else would do if they had the same question. Indio and Hastings are gone for a few days so you start abusing one of the few on here who actually posts some decent info. Hopefully those heroes of yours will give you and hutson something to take your mind off it sooner rather than later.