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  1. Crossbow fl 2017

    Yep. The internet had it's chance ... all the interesting conversations happen in private now.
  2. 2017 Garda Moth worlds

    No Luka's boat is a completely different design, the hull lines come from Marty Johnson of Rocket Surgeon Composites. https://www.facebook.com/Rocket-Surgeon-Composites-415092318502912/ Yes, mine is a Monstro ... which currently has holes in it as I do all the long overdue upgrades...
  3. 2017 Garda Moth worlds

    The Monstro’s that Josh and Reece built are a real credit to them, Keagan York was sailing the “old” Monstro. Luka Damic sailed a Scalpel. The new rudder was finished just two days before the worlds. The Monstros and Scalpel are all Nomex boats. There are build quality differences between the Voodoo manufacturers, the Atomic UK built ones are the ones to get.
  4. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    I wouldn’t stay away from Bladeriders. The trick is getting a good X8 and then being prepared to upgrade the right bits (they need new foils as the mainfoil flap fails, and the rudder is too short) but apart from that they are a good solid club racing package. if I build another boat, I will consider using one of them as the base to avoid having to build a new hull.
  5. 2017 Garda Moth worlds

    Whole rig is shorter and lower, so the "black band" is below the end of the mast. The problem with this setup in the moth rules, because of the luff length rule, is the reduction in power, that comes with the lower rig.
  6. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    A new one, after 6 months WTF??? I keep my moths for 5 years at a minimum.
  7. ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

    Is it just me or is the internet filled with for sale Waszp's that have been sailed less than 20 times, or are under 6 months old ? http://www.mothmart.com/foiling-moth/waszp-2262/ http://www.mothmart.com/foiling-moth/waszp-2045/ http://www.mothmart.com/foiling-moth/red-waszp-for-sale-newport-ri/
  8. The winning foils

    Doug, I think that a healthy dose of Occam's razor needs to be applied here. Just as the 12M yachts were optimised for conditions, if you don't design two sets, you will be slower. In the AC, you can't leave speed on the table, because your competitors wont. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. (On a completely unrelated topic, where is your thread about the Superfoiler? ) Bruce
  9. In my humble opinion, they are generally one in the same when it comes to foiling boats. The difference is being able to foil tack vs not will make a dramatic difference in the amount of time it takes to cover the racecourse distance. So in essence better manoeuvreability gives you a faster "corner" bottom end and exit speed and you are faster over all. If you question refers to 'maximum' speed, I would also say no, unless you are talking about VMG, as most race boats rarely sail in a mode trying to get maximum straight line speed upwind or down within a race. ( The start line drag race being one notable exception in the AC courses. ) In summary, fastest average speed will win the cup, but manuvers are a key factor in determining what your average speed is.
  10. Team NZ

    This is a total non issue, the "new guys" are multiple Olympic medalists who have already been racing against their AC competitors for years. The only difference is the price of their toys and the amount of resources they have to develop and train with. you all forget that helming these cats is not " seat of the pants" sailing like a. 49er. These boats sail you!... the technology is measuring everything and you are sailing to the settings, target, and numbers on tbe dashboard.There is target numbers for everything and the skipper never looks at anything accept the numbers. The tactician/ mainsheet does the numbers trimming and has all tactical options on the tablet. These boats are heads down machines and not heads up ... accept for wind pressure and angle visuals up the course. No. I am not forgetting that. The original point was that they would be "awestruck". Pete has been sailing AC45s for 4 years now (since the youth americas cup last time around). They haven't just been doing the Olympics, they are very familiar with the AC circus.
  11. Team NZ

    This is a total non issue, the "new guys" are multiple Olympic medalists who have already been racing against their AC competitors for years. The only difference is the price of their toys and the amount of resources they have to develop and train with.
  12. Waszp vs. Moth

    So what? World sailing could be made to look rather stupid choosing a youth design at the moment based on the fact one has delivered more boats to date. It would only be a relevant factor if the boats delivered were in the hands of youths, which there is little evidence of. Instead, WS should and I am sure will look at all the alternatives. The UFO seems to me to be far more suited to being a youth boat than the Waszp which is effectively a detuned Moth, even with the smaller rig option. The UFO is $3000 cheaper, it appears more robust, easier to learn on and about the same speed. It is being built by a family who have rather a good track record of scaling up to meet demand, so that isn't an issue. The reality is that the lead that the Waszp has is worth no more than a few months. +1 and nothing a ramped up manufacturer couldn't overtake.
  13. Waszp vs. Moth

    Stepping away from intent of classes, (one design, one commercial owner vs open, multi supplier development class), to someone who has never sailed a moth, and is starting at the bottom of the learning curve both boats are, in essence, the same. 11 feet long, narrow skiffs. So the stability and manuverability are, in percentage terms very similar. Waszp is a lot heavier. Stays hurt when you run into them so removing them is a good choice if you don't care about absolute performance. If you compare the Waszp to the UFO you will get much bigger differences. I would try both before you buy either, and don't rely on an Internet forum to make your buying choice if you are considering buying one. If you are trolling and trying to start a flame war, please don't.
  14. Team NZ

    I don't agrree. the main reason is that if you don't foil tack you have to lose a huge amount of vmg to get up on foils after the tack,especially in light airs; or at least this is what really makes the difference in moths;it's not the speed difference during the manouvre, but he vmg loss to get back up on foil if u crash down. So I once worked out based on GPS traces a couple of years ago that I was loosing 70-100M per tack (land, turn then get flying again) to our pace setter who sailed the whole race "dry". That translated to ~1/4 - 1/3 of a windward leg each lap. You then change your tactical thinking that it is better to minimise the loss and say, sail on a knock and loose 30 instead if tacking and loosing 80. In the moth fleet, (outside the top 20%) your tacking ability is the main factor in your finishing position in most races. We are only doing 15-18 knots upwind, the AC boats last time out in low mode were doing 24s so the gain will be much bigger for them. When you compare a "touch and go" tack to a fully flying one, the difference is much smaller, but still very obvious.
  15. Moth rig evolution & conclusions?

    There have already been smaller super high modulus smaller masts (I have 35mm diameter one). To go smaller the wall thickness has to go up, and stiffness becomes a trade off. 40mm seems to be the weight / stiffness / cost / diameter sweet spot. I have gone back up to a stiffer 40mm mast and gone faster.