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  1. Live Racing Thread

    99.94 to 99.95 how many digits do you really need?
  2. ACWS Bermuda - Oct 16-18

    Oh yes, the slot. Thank you. Which was to control fore/aft COE? There was a lot of talk about loading up the rudder. I interpreted that as shifting COE aft to increase wx helm. Was that correct?
  3. ACWS Bermuda - Oct 16-18

    It was not so much that the crew were better rather .. after losing the early races .. they finally accepted that the designers knew what they were talking about and started sailing the boat as instructed .. the mast was raked back and sailing to windward with sheets slightly eased made it possible to foil to windward and that made the difference . Hmmm, I remember differently: that after losing sailing how the designers told them they should, they finally did what the sailors had wanted... rake back, increase wx helm, and foot for speed. Am I wrong?
  4. ACWS Bermuda - Oct 16-18

    The default pitch (degree of nose-down appropriate for the expected race conditions) of the ac45fs is preset using the rudders. Get that wrong, i.e. drive the bows too low for the actual conditions with the rudder preset and then have to correct by using an aggressive main foil angle and you'll be slow - but none of that will show in the data sets you've put together so far. Can these 45's rake wing fore/aft while racing or between races? Cause if not, rudder foil pitch adjustment is effectively wing rake, changing center of effort...potentially more significant than hull trim.
  5. ACWS Bermuda - Oct 16-18

    We should totally resurrect the bad science thread.
  6. ACWS Portsmouth 23rd 26th July

    Offsetting fouls?
  7. ACWS Portsmouth 23rd 26th July

    I'm probably wrong but... If you establish inside overlap by gybing then you entitled to a tactical rounding. If you establish inside overlap from clear astern you must not sail below proper course. Neither of these apply though since nz and or are on opposite tacks. Also, you must keep clear while tacking. Seems to me like nz thought for a split second about crossing or's stern then thought better to gybe. These boats move along way in a split second. Did either boats protest?
  8. Oracle Team USA

    The spy boat thing gets brought up enough that I have to ask you kiwi fans: do you realize that or1 and or2 were constantly shadowed by an NZ rib? I think I observed as much practice sessions as anyone not on a pay role and I can tell you that a common first confirmation that OR would be out was a NZ branded rib at high speed. NTTAWWT.
  9. Oracle Team USA

    Some teams were significantly older to begin with, if I recall correctly.
  10. Team NZ

    Did not happen like this. OR played the card as was their right. It was a ballsy move. NZ won 4 of the next 6 races. OR was not suddenly a whole lot faster. They improved gradually and 8 days after the card began the 8 win streak. Even then NZ remained in striking distance with very comparable speed, at least until the last couple races when it just got sad. And then dean cried. "A ballsy move" I wonder... If ETNZ had've played their card, would it have been a ballsy move? I'd be willing to bet, if Dean had played that card he would've been weak and soft. But because Jimmy played it, its "Ballsy" Yes, it would have been equally ballsy, but not sure NZ was capable of such an action. It wasn't just a risky move. For all the lame bravado that JS puts out there, that decision displayed a maturity and wisdom that was surprising to me. For a group of egos like that to let reality dictate, not pride...to reassess with clear eyes, stop the bleeding, move forward, nothing to sacred for consideration...that was impressive work. I have huge admiration for TNZ and the way they approached the cup. But they played dirty at times too. And they lost. The cup was not stolen from them.
  11. Team NZ

    Did not happen like this. OR played the card as was their right. It was a ballsy move. NZ won 4 of the next 6 races. OR was not suddenly a whole lot faster. They improved gradually and 8 days after the card began the 8 win streak. Even then NZ remained in striking distance with very comparable speed, at least until the last couple races when it just got sad. And then dean cried.
  12. Team NZ

    The use of microprocessors in a hydraulic control system was not necessarily prohibited by the AC72 class rule. Other teams used servos containing microprocessors to control the rotation of a mechanical valve. Nothing illegal about that. Uh oh. We're back at 'hard wired to the valve'. If servos with embedded microprocessors are legal, then what is the alleged gray area?
  13. News from SF Embarcadero...

    Times are bad...ro! is making sense.
  14. ^ he meant Knewton of course, duh.