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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Hey! That's a hilarious breach of procedure in my opinion! I don't think the rules allow them to simply 'cancel' the hearing like that, based just on a retirement!!! In the statement from the committee, it is stated that a date for the hearing was set. This implies that the committee had found from the investigation that there were grounds for a hearing. So the committee has acted under 69.2(e). 69.2(e) If the protest committee decides to call a hearing, it shall promptly inform the person in writing of the alleged breach and of the time and place of the hearing and follow the procedures in rules 63.2, 63.3(a), 63.4 and 63.6 Once arriving at the decision to hold a hearing, and setting the date, the committee is required to 'follow the procedures in the rules 63.x'. In otherwords, the hearing should go ahead! Particularly, 63.6 requires evidence to be taken. 63.6 Taking Evidence and Finding Facts The protest committee shall take the evidence of the parties present at the hearing and of their witnesses and other evidence it considers necessary. Nowhere in rule 69, does it appear that the committee may rescind a decision to hold a hearing! (The rules are written presumably like this to stop any kind of 'bullying or persuasion' of the protest committee to drop the hearing after it becomes clear that there could be trouble. Normally if that happens, the misconduct has already occurred. Also, to make it impossible to simply 'get away with it' by retiring.) In other words, once the decision to go to hearing has been made, it seems to me the hearing must go ahead! Conversely, a boat has up until the committee acts under 69.2(e) to 'fess up and take the penalty. After that, its too late. ----------------------------------- Retiring from a race, doesn't and shouldn't fix a 'misconduct'. You can't call someone a C*** and then say, "OK...I'll retire are we quits now?" Likewise, you can't refuse to take a penalty when you learn you've broken a rule (that 'refusal' being the misconduct), and then when it suits, take a penalty. You still have to answer to the time when you refused to take the penalty in the first place. I'm not sure what's going on over there in the Far East, but it looks as though there was an ulterior motive for the retirement, and also someone has managed to persuade (let's hope not bullied) the protest committee to (unwittingly?) step out of procedure and drop everything! Maybe time for the MNA to wade in. Fascinating....
  2. Even I can get a GPS track from my computer and very quickly know whether I took a mark to left or right. Who knows why it took them 3 weeks.
  3. No doubt they made a mistake. No doubt when they signed the form, they beloved they had sailed the correct course. No doubt too, when they learned of the protest, they very quickly knew they had made a mistake. At that point, shouldn't a new declaration have been submitted?
  4. I agree. The more I think about it, it smells. The timing is just too coincidental...a hearing next Monday.. there is a reason for the retirement at this point in time. I sincerely hope they don't get to 'dodge' a hearing by their retirement. That would not be right. Time to retire was when they learned that they may have broken a rule. Page 1 of the rule book..."A fundamental principle of sportsmanship is that when competitors break a rule they will promptly take a penalty, which may be to retire." The key word here being 'promptly'. The race result is incidental to the possible breach of that fundamental principal of sportsmanship. The RET doesn't make it all better. Well, let's see if the hearing goes ahead. It would be curious if it did not. This also intrigues me. How were they meant to inform Scallywag if they had left the area? Hmmm...
  5. Wow. What does that mean for the hearing? Seems to me an easy way put it all to bed.. Too easy... Why is the focus on the declaration? At some point Scallywag must have known.. Maybe even after the first hearing? Surely the obligation to 'take a penalty when you learn you've broken a rule extends indefinitely... Or at least while the race in question is being talked about... Why then so long to retire? Clearly a great deal of time and effort has been put into this so far.. is that just the past now? Something doesn't seem to be right.
  6. Not sure I agree. The communication is different but still there. Maybe a bit more mature, and with a bit more understanding. I encourage 'non - required' comms. Approaching a mark, some quiet discussion well in advance often gets everyone around more orderly. Warning a boat of rights you may need to use in the future..., waving a boat through early (that you won't be using your rights), swinging your arm to signal 'no overlap'... These all help. I think this is the difference. Dw
  7. What was the result of all this?
  8. A track would surely do it, no? Are you sure there was a track? It mentions their tracker here: But perhaps it was not theirs but one of a witness? Certainly reading the evidence from fellow competitors they sailed the course incorrectly. They signed a statement saying otherwise? Ignorance or else? http://www.rhkyc.org.hk/upload/Sailing/Race-and-Regattas/SanFernandoRace/Report-by-Protest-Committee-to-RHKYC-re-protest-by-Standard-Insurance-Centennial-III-against-Scallywag-in-the-San-Fernando-Race--April-2017.pdf I think only track there is from a witness boat. Not sure though. what about the declaration...does it mean that much? they would have signed that before the protest was in...no? maybe just ignorance. Nothing naughty.
  9. A track would surely do it, no? Are you sure there was a track?
  10. 1. Learn the definitions verbatim. 2. Read the Casebook. 3. Read the rule book. Substitute the definition any time you read word in bold or italics. 4. Split up and learn the rule book as its parts and sections. Notice that each facet of a race only has a few rules.
  11. If I'm reading this right, it's rubbish. Any boat can request redress on behalf of another boat. (60.1b) The request for redress must be based around the fact that a boat's (any boat) score has been or'may' be worsened. (62.1) So, for sure. You can request redress for a boat who comes to your assistance per rule 1.1 (62.1c) Dw
  12. What a prick of a comment. Surfing down a wave is fun. 21 kts for some boats is incredible. Why not let them have their moment?
  13. There is no excuse for not doing this drill...especially if going offshore. I normally split the drill into two parts and practice separately 1. Handling of boat to return to MOB Cue 20 million posts on the best way to pick MOB up! Before this gets too heated a debate ("My way is better than your way!") let's just remember that there are many good ways of doing it. I personally think that many people 'overthink' this part. Each time I've had to recover an MOB for real, we have always used a modified method to suit the conditions. The main part, is that everyone has a few techniques in the back of their minds which they can draw upon in the heat of the moment. 2. MOB Egress Many people underestimate the 'egress' part. Taking a dead-weight body is hard. It needs to be thought of in advance. The method will depend on the size and design of boat.
  14. Sailx all over again!