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About dash34

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    Nanaimo, B.C.
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    Sailing my boat, playing bass and classical guitar, flying sailplanes, skiing, cycling and hiking.

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  1. dash34

    ORC Missed Opportunity?

    I think PHRF is, or should be, rating boats as if they were stripped out. That is what is happening if you look around the docks at a typical regatta. Where do you stop when you are removing stuff that isn't needed for the race? There are all kinds of rationalizations for this. If you know it is going to be nasty wet weather, why wouldn't you take the cushions off? No point in getting them soaking wet. So and so, (very experienced and successful racer) is known to be stripping his boat, so why shouldn't I? I forgot my stove at home, I'm not going to drive home to get it. And so on. While the PHRF rules prohibit this type of thing it is actually what is happening. Since there is no enforcement, and it would be sort of a dick move to protest any particular individual over this when so many are guilty, it is a bit of an elephant in the room at the moment.
  2. So, what you're saying is, your position is all based on hearsay from the yacht club and misunderstanding of structural and material design? Because apparently you have no practical experience in one of these boats in offshore conditions and you are not planning to get any. I'd say your credibility is in question here. Go sail one of these boats offshore, then come back and we can compare notes.
  3. Just remind me again, how many ocean passages have you done on a Beneteau?
  4. I always wondered if someone would take Beneteau to task over the name. It sort of implies that they were encouraging people to take these boats across oceans. They are best suited to relatively protected waters, coastal cruising with only occasional exposure to open ocean, at least for the later Oceanis models. JMHO based on sailing a 43, of course, other models might be different.
  5. Ok, I get it now. Your MO is to do everything you can to counter anyone pointing out Beneteau shortcomings even if it means inventing stuff and insinuating shit like "you are an incompetent sailor if you hit rocks all the time". If you haven't hit a rock or two you haven't done much sailing. I have an engineering degree (electrical) and understand flex in structures. I also understand fatigue cycles and elastic limits. But there is a difference between the two of us. I can look at the structure of a boat and understand its limitations and work within those. I believe you are refusing to see the limitations that a structural design using extensive grids places on boats - and yes, I agree that grids are here to stay. Until you can do that, we'd better just agree to disagree.
  6. I sailed an Oceanis 43 to Hawaii, the owner with delivery crew brought it back. The only problems on the way there were electrical problems, blowing up kites, ripping the kite halyard swivel ring apart at the top of the mast, and massive chafe on all the gear, all more or less due either to operator error or inadequate prep. On the way back, however, the traveller departed from the deck and the glass structure around the rudder quadrant started to disintegrate - both were repaired under warranty IIRC. The boats are fine up to moderate conditions. When it starts to get heavy, you might want to be on a different boat. I remember watching the boat working while lying in my bunk, the floating bulkheads in the 43 shift around quite a bit in a sea. I sailed Steinman 30 and a Dubois 43 on the East coast of Australia BITD. Both boats were well-built light-to-moderate displacement offshore racing boats, and I had plenty of time to see how they were constructed. Both had ring frames and the Dubois had an internal space frame and box around the keel. We ran the Dubois 43 up on the rocks off of one the heads in a Southport race when the navigator tried to shoot a gap to save some distance and a few tacks. The boat was lifted up by the waves and dropped back on the rocks a couple of times before we managed to sail off. No damage except some lead chunks out of the keel. I believe that would have totaled an Oceanis 43. Boats don't have to be built like a brick shithouse to be strong, but the problem is: strong, light, cheap, pick any two. But smackdaddy has a point: cars are better now that they are built with a monocoque construction. They are also less repairable/easier to write-off than when there were heavy frames built into the structure. No one is suggesting we should go back to the old methods with either cars or boats. But, when it comes to Beneteaus and other similar new designs, to paraphrase, "a man has to know his boat's limitations". Some are better than others in terms of construction. I might even buy one for coastal cruising. I'd think twice about taking one of the newer ones offshore. Oh, and smackdude, I'd appreciate it if you would stop accusing me and others who point out the shortcomings of the Beneteau and other modern designs of being Brent Swain fanboys. I own a Dash 34 for christ's sake.
  7. dash34

    Identify this throttle control

    I spent hours searching every nook and cranny on the net trying to find one of these because I refused to believe that such a compact and reliable unit wouldn't be out there somewhere. Nada. I think they have gone the way of the dodo.
  8. Well, don't hit rocks with a boat with a glued-in grid, anyway.
  9. There are only sailors who have hit rocks, and those who are going to hit them. It does happen, and when it does boats should be repairable within reason afterward. The glued in grid structure of the Beneteau makes it very expensive/difficult/time consuming to repair them properly. Other similar boats that do not have this design are more easily repaired. I can't put it more simply than that.
  10. Hilarious. They "strength tested" the Hunter by running up a gently sloping sandy beach and the Linjett onto a shallow mudflat. Even the Hobie was run on the rocks at a bit of an angle so it wouldn't stop instantly. The loads are significantly reduced when they are spread out over a long period of time like that. Hit a rock square on and then show the video. The point about the Beneteau design is that while it is initially very strong and easy/cheap to manufacture, it makes repair very difficult in the case of a serious grounding. The glued-in structural grid can not be easily inspected for delamination.
  11. Nothing wrong with boats being designed for performance (like mine) or inexpensive manufacturing (Beneteau) instead of hitting rocks. As long as purchasers understand the inherent risk in the Beneteau design there is no problem. I don't think they do understand this, however. I know that hitting a rock at 4 kts totals my boat - do they?
  12. dash34

    In-mast Furling

    Haven't convinced myself to go look at it yet to find out. One can only speculate at this point - we do get a lot of light air here, particularly in the Gulf Islands where it looks like it was based. It certainly is a concern. I would expect the interior would be more beat up if it had been in the charter fleet for 12 years - the companionway stairs look to be in decent shape but should be very worn. How many hours did your Yanmar have when you replaced it, or was it replaced before you got it?
  13. dash34

    In-mast Furling

    From a sailing perspective, in the Bendytoy line we'd be better off with something like a 36.7 but we can't find a good one at a decent price. The search continues.
  14. dash34

    In-mast Furling

    Yeah, just to get the discussion back on track, our current boat has a 15' boom and 40' luff with slugs, so we have no problem handling that size of conventional mainsail. Piece of cake. The problem is that I keep running across decent coastal cruising boats with in-mast furling mains (here's an example: https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=3140010&lang=en&slim=broker&&hosturl=AvisoYachtSales&&ywo=AvisoYachtSales&) which are right next door to me. The only thing I don't like about this boat is the furling main. I'm trying to tap the experience here to help decide if it will work for our future cruising plans and partnership. As for whether or not Bendyslows are actually decent boats, well, there are lots of threads on that. Not planning to go offshore so they are in the running. Thanks for all the thoughts. I've learned enough to go into this reasonably well informed.
  15. dash34

    In-mast Furling

    Never mind, its late. Thanks for the thoughts on this.