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  1. Team UK

    This was definitely an issue for BAR, they were too keen to get the best British designers, engineers etc. rather than getting the best in the world. Maybe they needed to do that to push the nationlistic aspect in order to raise funding, but it was a stupid approach. As for the F1 guys, definitely valuable in terms of design and engineering process, this is where companies like McClaren are outstanding. But possibly not much they could contribute directly to the design of the boat.
  2. Team NZ

    I think you'll find that quite a few people have exited other teams due to the change to smaller boats, but it hasn't happened with the same sort of fanfare that ETNZ generates. Apparently Jason Ker is no longer with BAR, but that hardly raised a mention, and I've heard of departures on other teams as well. I think ETNZ is actually doing the right thing, stripping down to the bare bones and rebuilding around a younger core group. A few people might get pissed off along the way, but I don't see it as the disaster that Dana seems to imagine.
  3. Team NZ

    How many crew are you allowing for? My mistake, I was thinking of the AC62 crew size. Not many spaces on the 48 for indians when you consider how many chiefs they've got. Looking at the ETNZ web page for Team is pretty sobering though, once Saward, Lomas, and Macfarlane get taken off there will be only 4 photos on it. And that's 2 years from the next Cup.
  4. Team NZ

    Honestly, ETNZ is better off without Nick Holroyd, he was responsible for some monumental design failures that he has never been brought to account for. How he kept his untouchable position in the team up until now is beyond me. And as for the grinders, how many does ETNZ need? They already have to fit Burling, Tuke, Ashby and Davies on the boat. And of course Dalts will insist on sailing, so that only leaves 3 spots. I suspect that they have figured out that the loads on the boats are going to be lower and that the grinders will need to be slimmer, fitter and more agile to suit a smaller boat and more dynamic racing, so the big guys of the past are being put out to pasture.
  5. Team NZ

    Damn, looks like we'll need to switch to plan B...
  6. Team NZ

    Grumpy may have his flaws, but in a scrap like this he is the best bloke for the job and the best person to raise funds.
  7. Team NZ

    Don't underestimate Kiwis when their backs are to the wall!
  8. Team NZ

    No, it's time to win the Cup back and set it straight. It will be close to a one design class and ETNZ should have no problem being competitive. Suck it up and win it back.
  9. Team NZ

    Realistically, they will have their best chance ever. They will have equal wings, hulls and platforms, meaning all the focus is on foils, control systems and sailing skills. ETNZ did as good a job as Oracle on the foils last time, with Burling and Ashby they have the two of best (if not the two best) foiling cat sailors available, and the control systems will be sorted with a bit of no.8 wire, so they will have a very good chance of knocking off Oracle. Actually the area of control theory and systems is the big one, Oracle has both access to the U.S. aerospace industry for componentry as well as having an in-house control theory expert, Tom Speer. Control theory is an area that AC teams have glossed over in the past because they don't know how little they know about it. If they don't have it already, TNZ needs someone with serious expertise in this area. Great second paragraph, but doesn't it contradict your assertion? And OR's also got Guppy Youngren this time around I don't know what expertise TNZ has in this area, they may have a really good understanding of the problem and be on top of it, or they may be taking the classic NZ "we can do anything with pure grit and determination" attitude. Dalts has said they are taking a more scientific attitude this time around, but unfortunately I think his idea of a scientific attitude is along the lines of "I've got some smart guys, they can figure it out" rather than seeking out an expert in the field. Control theory for foiling cats is a complex subject and not much has been published on it, although Peter Heppel did a good paper at the HPYD conference in Auckland last month, not sure if its online.
  10. Team NZ

    Realistically, they will have their best chance ever. They will have equal wings, hulls and platforms, meaning all the focus is on foils, control systems and sailing skills. ETNZ did as good a job as Oracle on the foils last time, with Burling and Ashby they have the two of best (if not the two best) foiling cat sailors available, and the control systems will be sorted with a bit of no.8 wire, so they will have a very good chance of knocking off Oracle. Actually the area of control theory and systems is the big one, Oracle has both access to the U.S. aerospace industry for componentry as well as having an in-house control theory expert, Tom Speer. Control theory is an area that AC teams have glossed over in the past because they don't know how little they know about it. If they don't have it already, TNZ needs someone with serious expertise in this area.
  11. Team UK

    No, it's not what we all want. We want an America's Cup, one challenger, one defender, every 3-4 years. Fuck you, Ainslie
  12. Team NZ

    No, better for TNZ to keep going and win this thing to get it away from Larry and Russell.
  13. Team NZ

    Agreed, qualifiers are a silly idea and we all agreed on that. Grumpy realised that if qualifiers were inevitable, they might as well be in Auckland, as that gave him a home waters advantage, lower costs and less time lost to shipping for ETNZ. Plus government financial support - a win-win situation all round. But that doesn't mean that qualifiers aren't a stupid idea, and it's nice to see that Russell has finally worked out what was obvious to everyone else from day 1.
  14. Team NZ

    It is Luna Rossa that has ensured that only a simple majority of teams is required to change the protocol. It's a bit late for them to decide they don't want a democracy any more. Any claim by LR that they are too far down the R&D track to change to a smaller boat is total bullshit. If they have already started construction of their single AC62 they are way too early - they still have about 21 months before they can launch it. Bertelli just doesn't want any more teams, particularly the French to come in and be competitive. Dalts will do what is necessary to survive, but will twist Russell's arm as much as he can for as much advantage as he can. Anyway, good opportunity for Ernesto to make a comeback. And maybe he could give Dean a job on the way, that would be poetic justice!
  15. Team NZ

    I agree, Dalts doesn't have a choice at the moment because Russell has tied the adoption of AC45 to skipping the Auckland event. I'm sure that If Russell proposed keeping the Auckland event but still switching to AC45s, Dalts would be on-side very quickly. And then LR would be on their own resisting the change to a smaller boat.