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  1. Lazy Jack & Topping Lift line

    Those of you using dyneema lazy jacks - do you ever find that batten pockets or other sharpish parts of the main pull strands out of the rope weave or does it all hold together pretty well?
  2. The Next Boat-----2020

    That is a logical conclusion but there are a few issues to consider: 1. The extent of canting is limited by the bearing point and internal canting mechanisms 2. There is probably an issue with wave interference with the keel splashing down intermittently - this might be high drag 3. If the keel is at maximum righting moment out to the side, what happens to the boat if it heels further and righting moment goes down - the stability profile would be different 4. Not unsolvable but the further you cant a keel the more you have to reinforce the bearing point as torque is applied to the bearing in different ways. Imagine the different torque forces that the keel can apply in all its different positions!
  3. The Next Boat-----2020

    If the issue is a dislike for the significant manual power input requirement which is needed under the current rule set then adjust the rules to require designers to come up with an alternative. This might be a restriction on foil/wing adjustment or similar. Constraints drive innovation. The constraints of the moth class drove inverted T foil development, the constraints of the A-class drove cat foil development. Constrain the class somehow to avoid the large manual power input requirement and watch innovative solutions be developed. I think I would prefer that to the integration of other power sources such as battery or internal combustion. What would I like to see? I'm pretty open. Cat foiling has improved dramatically in the last cycle - what if the same development could be applied to a 60 foot monohull? Could we see a mono make it around the course without splashdown? Possibly, given the right foil combination. In some respects the nature of the hulls is really less important than the nature of the foil configuration which will be vastly more important if a class with the possibility of foiling is designed.
  4. 5 Day Break

    Even jokingly speculating that they would deliberately damage the TNZ boat is going a bit far. I know they aren't a paragon of virtue in terms of cheating but lets keep it real.
  5. I've seen enough

    If the last cup taught us anything, its that there is always room to make step changes in the design space that can make material changes to the relative speed of the two boats. Foiling is still so far from fully optimized that there is still plenty of room for improvement. Find one of those improvements before you lose and you can go from noncompetitive to winning the cup in just 8 races! Admittedly the boats are far more optimised foilers this cycle than they were in the last one so the prospects of step change are lower but I bet they are still there to some extent.
  6. They could probably gain 0.5kts by deflating JS's ego by 50% so that it didn't cause so much drag. It must be a real headache having to drag that monstrous lump around the course.
  7. Team NZ

    I'd guess that either they can get by with just two cyclos at any one time or that they could keep two each side during heavy maneuvering.
  8. Team Japan

    1/2 a Sydney to Hobart sounds like a bloody long way for an over-grown beach cat to be sailing each week!
  9. Dinghy chine...sharpness

    Sharp edges on surfaces that release water flow are fast. Sharp edges on chines parallel to the water flow? - no idea.
  10. Cox's Bay Skimmer bis.

    Gary - all two-masted kiwi boats remind me of Steinlager (II?), particularly when in red. Good on you for keeping at it and keeping it real.
  11. Sydney to Hobart 2016

    Shocker by oats but that kind of start has worked for them in previous years. CQS looked messy but will hopefully pull it together. Loyal looked better practiced but still had furler dramas. It will be interesting to see the pecking order emerge this afternoon.
  12. Interesting moth design

    It looks like the Karmann Ghia of moths.
  13. lifting foils needed for soft sail Class C

    You'd have a pretty small pool of potential C-class foil sellers but hey - it doesn't hurt to ask!
  14. F101 Foiling Trimaran

    Doug has been called out on his hours foiling claims before. Of course its bullshit. Doug's exaggerations grow over time. Back in 2009 it was only 20 hrs and you can bet he hasn't been on the water since then... "I've seen or sailed yet-I've got 20+ hours on a Rave. " http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=93114&page=1
  15. Sydney to Hobart 2016

    I saw CQS on the water on Sunday. Its a funny looking thing. They weren't pushing it for speed at the time so it wasn't possible to see how it really worked. The foil was deployed and seemed to interfere at the water surface quite a bit but that may have been because they weren't sailing sensible angles to get through the harbour traffic. Overall it looks like an extreme long shot to think that it might keep up with Oats.