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  1. Agree. Victor was tactics, Jud strategy and no doubt rig tune/boat speed upwind. This fleet had some unreal talent, one of the most talented, deep ever in any class. In thinking back to legendary regattas, I can only think of DC's Star Worlds in '77 where he won almost every race as more definitive performance. Hard for to me to see who is going to have a more impressive performance so that Peter Duncan doesn't win the US Rolex Yachtsman of the Year.
  2. Uh...no. Not a "guideline". It's a regulation. 23.1.3 (e) and (f) (e) New Equipment shall only be selected following Equipment trials or other evaluation against the specified criteria, and shall be selected no later than 31 December of the year five years before the Olympic Games. (f) World Sailing may at any time require evolution of selected Equipment and shall liaise with the Class organisation and manufacturers before so deciding. Any such evolution shall be decided no later than 31 December of the year five years before the Olympic Sailing Competition. From here http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/2017RegulationsClean-[22923].pdf So given that the foiling Nacra is just now finishing its first regatta, seems to be it doesn't fit within either of the 5 year time frame. And I've got no economic agenda in any of this, I'd just like to see WS adhere to their own regs, because once they start ignoring their own regs for one issue, it's too easy to ignore then for any other.
  3. Respect.
  4. That might be the best crew shirt ever!
  5. There's no AC racing today. The challenger series is over, Artemis lost. Cup starts saturday. Unless you mean that Red Bull Youth thing... and I have no idea about that, but doubt it is being televised.
  6. I've sailed on this boat a lot. It has tons of headroom.
  7. Prevailing opinion I have heard more than once, at least as it applies to OracleAUSNZL, is that your crime is simply being American.
  8. Respect, for both of you, and anyone else who puts their life on the line. House next door to me burned down once. Staggering that there was no damage to any of the adjacent homes. All because of guys like you. Thanks.
  9. remember watermoc had to have the entire keel removed after it was found to be ever so slightly, totally and completely, in the wrong place attention to detail with that builder was never a strong suit And wait, there's more....keel was asymmetrical and I think the rudder wasn't square to the centerline either. Felt like a totally different boat after it came out of the yard.
  10. Here's the boat the OP bought. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C-%26-C-Custom-43-2611436/Detroit/MI/United-States#.WPduUlLMz-Y
  11. I sailed on that boat a lot when it lived in Buffalo. Nice boat, no terrible habits, other than a bit of the typical IOR rolling downwind in breeze. Jibs are massive - get very large people to grind.
  12. In my opinion W/L is adding to the decline in racing in general, regardless of handicap system. Take the Mass Bay schedule for instance. There are 10 north shore qualifying regattas, of which 9 are generally W/L and the other is an overnight distance race. There are 8 qualifiers on the South Shore, and 3 are generally W/L and the other 5 are round islands or government marks. So 12 regattas, around 15 days of racing, 3 races per day, 2 laps per race. 90 sets and douses... BIRW is 4 days of W/L and one RTI and everyone looks forward to the RTI. I can't believe I'm the only one who thinks racing two lap W/L and then getting 10 minutes to shove a sandwich down your throat before you do it all over again turns into a grind. That's always been my issue. It's not the racing in and of itself, when on the course I'm usually having a great time. It's the cumulative grind that comes from doing more or less the same exact thing over and over again. I can't tell you the number of times I've been talking with the other people I sail with about a given race and we struggle to place which regatta it was part of. On the other hand it generally costs even more money to be competitive in distance racing so there is that trade-off. What I don't understand is the reluctance to have any course other than w/l, with a start to weather. Why not have downwind starts from time to time. Triangle and/or gold cup courses. A day race around government marks. The way we promote sailing, even to ourselves, is like the old Saturday Night Live skit about the store that sold only one type of scotch tape - that was the ONLY thing they sold. Aren't we smarter than this? (I guess not).
  13. All of this history really struck a chord with me as I was paying attention to it all, a bit too young to sail in the SORC at the time. I can't remember the exact year it happened, maybe the spring of '74 or '75, a guy I knew very well, who was a mentor, Al Bernel, bought the centerboard 27.5 one tonner Robin and brought it to Buffalo, renamed it Abino Robin, the Abino coming from Point Abino, which is the point about 10 miles west of Buffalo on the north shore of Lake Erie, which is a summer community and sailing mecca for the Lightning class. It was the first real custom boat on which I sailed. I was in high school at the time. There was a Lightning Class connection to all of it, most of the crew were older Lightning sailors, as was Bernel initially. That boat which drew, I think, 11 feet, with the board down, had the most special motion upwind of any boat on which I have ever sailed to this day. Of all the one and two tonners, sleds, Swans, canting keel boats, nothing felt like Robin upwind in any sort of breeze. It would go like two forward and then one to weather. Rudder was two part, with the lower part capable of being retracted into the upper part, I think there as less than two feet of rudder in the water downwind. In the fall of '79 when I was done with college and moved to Newport Beach, I walked into Eichenlaub's yard in San Diego, introduced myself, told him I wanted to talk about Lightnings, because he had won 2 North American's and had built arguably the best boats for conditions with chop/lighter air. Actually got him to come out of retirement, and he crewed for me in the California Lightning circuit in one regatta. The first day I met him, within an hour, the next thing I knew he had figured out I had sailed on Robin, and was booking me a flight to San Francisco to sail on Cadenza in the Cal Coastal Race. Over the next year or so I sort of almost lived in his yard, and got to hear about all his history, especially with Peterson, and Ganbare. In the fall of '79 he was building two Peterson fractional rig boats - one of them was Forte, for Art DeFever and Tom Tobin. I think they finished 2rd or 3rd in their class in the SORC and pretty close to that overall. The other boat was for a Mexican guy who stopped making payments, the boat hung around for a while unfinished, and Barney Flam bought it, turned it into Flambouyant which won everything in Long Beach for a long time. While my parents hated the fact I was just messing around with boats, I got a Masters, if not PhD, in boat building/design and overall sailing theory hanging out with one of the true masters of the game. I got to see first hand so much that came out of the west coast at the tail end of the golden era of yacht racing through and with Carl. There isn't enough space in this forum to detail all I was privileged to see, learn and know. The mention of Robin Two II above made me put that into google, and one of the first things that was returned was this article from Sports Illustrated. Hearing about High Roller made me think about the day I spent with Carl and Bill Powers talking about what Carl would do to tweak the boat for him. Williwaw....there's a complex story. https://www.si.com/vault/1979/02/26/823396/and-so-now-we-are-seven-robin-had-reached-an-advanced-age-in-the-sorc-but-after-several-appearances-under-different-names-for-different-owners-she-was-doing-her-thing-again#
  14. Top fell off.
  15. It was a result of HHN92 talking in the AC forum about his enjoyment of the SuperSeries that he would watch online that got me first interested a year or so ago, then when a close friend started to sail on one of the boats, I started to pay more attention. I watched as much as time allowed both online via the tracker and then video from Key West, and then again this past week. Yes, there is a bit of a lag between video and tracker, but even with Ellison's money and Stan Honey's brain, that problem existed in AC 34 too. It's hardly a disqualifier, and I enjoyed both formats. Andi does a nice job tying everything together, and Stu does a great job on the water. If he can't go to Europe, then get someone like Genny Tulloch to do on the water, though that said, the series and a sponsor would be really smart to put her at the helm of a 52. One of the things I like the most are the FB lives that Andi does walking about the container area after the race, talking with the sailors. It puts a human face on sailing that is completely absent in the AC, where everything is scripted and constricted. Great job all around, I'll be back and telling others to watch.