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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. That might be the best crew shirt ever!
  2. There's no AC racing today. The challenger series is over, Artemis lost. Cup starts saturday. Unless you mean that Red Bull Youth thing... and I have no idea about that, but doubt it is being televised.
  3. I've sailed on this boat a lot. It has tons of headroom.
  4. Prevailing opinion I have heard more than once, at least as it applies to OracleAUSNZL, is that your crime is simply being American.
  5. Respect, for both of you, and anyone else who puts their life on the line. House next door to me burned down once. Staggering that there was no damage to any of the adjacent homes. All because of guys like you. Thanks.
  6. remember watermoc had to have the entire keel removed after it was found to be ever so slightly, totally and completely, in the wrong place attention to detail with that builder was never a strong suit And wait, there's more....keel was asymmetrical and I think the rudder wasn't square to the centerline either. Felt like a totally different boat after it came out of the yard.
  7. Here's the boat the OP bought. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C-%26-C-Custom-43-2611436/Detroit/MI/United-States#.WPduUlLMz-Y
  8. I sailed on that boat a lot when it lived in Buffalo. Nice boat, no terrible habits, other than a bit of the typical IOR rolling downwind in breeze. Jibs are massive - get very large people to grind.
  9. In my opinion W/L is adding to the decline in racing in general, regardless of handicap system. Take the Mass Bay schedule for instance. There are 10 north shore qualifying regattas, of which 9 are generally W/L and the other is an overnight distance race. There are 8 qualifiers on the South Shore, and 3 are generally W/L and the other 5 are round islands or government marks. So 12 regattas, around 15 days of racing, 3 races per day, 2 laps per race. 90 sets and douses... BIRW is 4 days of W/L and one RTI and everyone looks forward to the RTI. I can't believe I'm the only one who thinks racing two lap W/L and then getting 10 minutes to shove a sandwich down your throat before you do it all over again turns into a grind. That's always been my issue. It's not the racing in and of itself, when on the course I'm usually having a great time. It's the cumulative grind that comes from doing more or less the same exact thing over and over again. I can't tell you the number of times I've been talking with the other people I sail with about a given race and we struggle to place which regatta it was part of. On the other hand it generally costs even more money to be competitive in distance racing so there is that trade-off. What I don't understand is the reluctance to have any course other than w/l, with a start to weather. Why not have downwind starts from time to time. Triangle and/or gold cup courses. A day race around government marks. The way we promote sailing, even to ourselves, is like the old Saturday Night Live skit about the store that sold only one type of scotch tape - that was the ONLY thing they sold. Aren't we smarter than this? (I guess not).
  10. All of this history really struck a chord with me as I was paying attention to it all, a bit too young to sail in the SORC at the time. I can't remember the exact year it happened, maybe the spring of '74 or '75, a guy I knew very well, who was a mentor, Al Bernel, bought the centerboard 27.5 one tonner Robin and brought it to Buffalo, renamed it Abino Robin, the Abino coming from Point Abino, which is the point about 10 miles west of Buffalo on the north shore of Lake Erie, which is a summer community and sailing mecca for the Lightning class. It was the first real custom boat on which I sailed. I was in high school at the time. There was a Lightning Class connection to all of it, most of the crew were older Lightning sailors, as was Bernel initially. That boat which drew, I think, 11 feet, with the board down, had the most special motion upwind of any boat on which I have ever sailed to this day. Of all the one and two tonners, sleds, Swans, canting keel boats, nothing felt like Robin upwind in any sort of breeze. It would go like two forward and then one to weather. Rudder was two part, with the lower part capable of being retracted into the upper part, I think there as less than two feet of rudder in the water downwind. In the fall of '79 when I was done with college and moved to Newport Beach, I walked into Eichenlaub's yard in San Diego, introduced myself, told him I wanted to talk about Lightnings, because he had won 2 North American's and had built arguably the best boats for conditions with chop/lighter air. Actually got him to come out of retirement, and he crewed for me in the California Lightning circuit in one regatta. The first day I met him, within an hour, the next thing I knew he had figured out I had sailed on Robin, and was booking me a flight to San Francisco to sail on Cadenza in the Cal Coastal Race. Over the next year or so I sort of almost lived in his yard, and got to hear about all his history, especially with Peterson, and Ganbare. In the fall of '79 he was building two Peterson fractional rig boats - one of them was Forte, for Art DeFever and Tom Tobin. I think they finished 2rd or 3rd in their class in the SORC and pretty close to that overall. The other boat was for a Mexican guy who stopped making payments, the boat hung around for a while unfinished, and Barney Flam bought it, turned it into Flambouyant which won everything in Long Beach for a long time. While my parents hated the fact I was just messing around with boats, I got a Masters, if not PhD, in boat building/design and overall sailing theory hanging out with one of the true masters of the game. I got to see first hand so much that came out of the west coast at the tail end of the golden era of yacht racing through and with Carl. There isn't enough space in this forum to detail all I was privileged to see, learn and know. The mention of Robin Two II above made me put that into google, and one of the first things that was returned was this article from Sports Illustrated. Hearing about High Roller made me think about the day I spent with Carl and Bill Powers talking about what Carl would do to tweak the boat for him. Williwaw....there's a complex story. https://www.si.com/vault/1979/02/26/823396/and-so-now-we-are-seven-robin-had-reached-an-advanced-age-in-the-sorc-but-after-several-appearances-under-different-names-for-different-owners-she-was-doing-her-thing-again#
  11. Top fell off.
  12. It was a result of HHN92 talking in the AC forum about his enjoyment of the SuperSeries that he would watch online that got me first interested a year or so ago, then when a close friend started to sail on one of the boats, I started to pay more attention. I watched as much as time allowed both online via the tracker and then video from Key West, and then again this past week. Yes, there is a bit of a lag between video and tracker, but even with Ellison's money and Stan Honey's brain, that problem existed in AC 34 too. It's hardly a disqualifier, and I enjoyed both formats. Andi does a nice job tying everything together, and Stu does a great job on the water. If he can't go to Europe, then get someone like Genny Tulloch to do on the water, though that said, the series and a sponsor would be really smart to put her at the helm of a 52. One of the things I like the most are the FB lives that Andi does walking about the container area after the race, talking with the sailors. It puts a human face on sailing that is completely absent in the AC, where everything is scripted and constricted. Great job all around, I'll be back and telling others to watch.
  13. It's the IOC, TV ad sales people, and WS staff, looking for money. Period. who would watch that on tv? it's not as if there is no limit to the number of events the olympics can or will run..., you need to consider the opportunity cost if the aim is to maximize ad revenue.., having offshore sailing, instead of just about anything else is a big mistake anyway, i think it's i dumb idea Actually, I think the concept was not so much for TV as it is for internet consumption. The IOC is just about making money, and WS is just about doing whatever makes the IOC happy. It's beyond a dumb idea, at least when considering what most of the world thinks the Olympics is about. If you accept the reality that the Olympics is just a sports reality show and you pay to play and of you win, you might make a buck or two, then fine. Probably the US team would be something like Gronkowski and one of the Kardashians.
  14. It's the IOC, TV ad sales people, and WS staff, looking for money. Period.
  15. I am told that was proposed at the last WS Executive Cmte meeting.