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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Give it time. I'm sure a technical error will blow this thread up, like the last three. We can rename it then!
  2. Yes, but 'should' he buy a boat with Retirment funds is different then 'how'. Even if he were to invest in a charter company who's sole customer was him, he still be giving up all future returns the money would generate. I doubt there is anyway he can buy a boat with capital in its special status, hence my answer. If he wants to lower the tax burden he can finance it, and take the distributions over a few years to get into the lower tax bracket. But you have to add back in the cost of the financing. Or you wait a few years and take extra distributions to build up cash to then buy it. But the instagratification answer is to take a lump sum, pay the tax and buy the boat. Hence the answer to his 'how' question. Take the distribution!
  3. Take the withdrawal, get your cash, buy the boat. Simple!
  4. Holy crap that's a lot of numbers. 12 on the rail and 5 on the mast. Use feel not numbers to get ahead. I like Boat Speed, Compass, and apparent wind speed (true wind speed if it's trust worthy), and target boat speed if you have it no can trust it. That with a little short term memory should tell you everything you need. Like tracking shifts, knowing when you are fast or slow, and what sail to have up. The windex and telltails should tell you the rest.
  5. Speaking of new people. Where are the new Chicago sailors on this site and in this thread? I feel like I'm the newest person posting and I've been stalking this (and previous incarnations) of this thread since 2007.
  6. CYC has an active group of 30 and unders, though some of us are starting to get out of that bracket. It's centered around the Associates Comittee. It's primary social based, but most race as crew on boats at all sizes in the fleet, a few have their own boats, some are powerboaters, and others are more active with CYC's sonars and related racing series. There are about 20 core people with another 30-40 involved. We stared with 12, 8 years ago.
  7. I don't know how to make this much shorter and still get enough sailing in to make it worthwhile. Consider the following timetable, for someone who doesn't necessarily live downtown: 8:00 Leave home 9:00 Arrive dock/boat 9:45 Leave dock 10:30 Arrive SA 11:00 Start race #1 12:30 Finish race #1 13:00 Start race #2 14:30 Finish race #2 15:15 Return to dock 15:30 Secure sails, lines, etc., cocktails/beer, post mortem? 17:30 Leave boat 18:30 Arrive home That's an 8 hour day if you want to get in two 90 minute races (8 miles, W/L, VMG ~ 5.5kts). It also assumes not much delay in starting race #2, and starting race #1 on time. In all my time racing in A3, I don't think we ever had a shorter race day than 8+ hrs, if you wanted to get at least as much sailing time in as travel (land & water) and dock time. I won't re-hash the various arguments made about earlier start times or starting closer to shore. Actually, I screwed up my initial post: Should be 15:15 Return to dock 16:00 Leave boat 17:00 Arrive home For a nine hour day. I expect a fair bit of de-brief to happen on the 45min ride back to shore. Obviously the more time you spend on the boat drinking, chatting etc. after clean-up, the longer the day. I agree. I don't know what the answer is to reduce the time commitment, as I had to walk away from Area 3 racing six years ago as I couldn't do this most weekends, Saturday and Sunday. Life and career has gotten in the way. Do I wish I still could? Yes, but life and career need to be first right now, otherwise I'm never going to own a boat in Chicago.
  8. Torresen is in Muskegon, MI. Larsen Marine is in Waukegan. Thanks, that's what I get for posting on the train on the way home. Never used Torresen or Larsen, just delevered boats from each, but they both have good reputations.
  9. Glen- glad you are shaking things up, but don't forgot the time aspect. We need to change the time commitment racing requires. As young people today are used to spending a little bit of time on lots of things, and therefore has a bunch of little commitments they have to meet each weekend. It's now a huge deal for anyone younger to carve out 8-10 hours in one chunk and fully commit it to sailing/racing. I don't know what the answer is to this, but keep it in mind.
  10. Richie is awesome and should be someone you should go to if you are in Chicago, he is independent so you can be in any Chicago Yard and he can work on the boat. Torresen in Waukegan IL has a good reputation as does Eldeans in Holland MI. Crowley's on the south side of Chicago is hit or miss, I know people who had great work done, I've also seen horror stories as well though they will make it right if it does go wrong. With that said your mileage may vary. Call them up, meet them and go with who you work best with.
  11. @Nickros- option 1, your crew can help in the douse as well, also only half blow the single (now lazy) sheet on it. You guys change headsails bouy racing? Why not wait till downwind and change the two while on they are on the deck and the kite is up. As for long distance racing, you can't usually tack, or would be put at a disadvantage by tacking so you don't tack and get the sail down. Also inside/outside is usually beyond your control, you inherit the setup from previous situation. Trying to anticipate and plan ahead usually never works. Also you loose fractions of a knot with people on the bow, verses whole boat lengths in a tack. Decent crew can get you sail changed loosing you less distance if you don't tack.* *YMMV depending on type of boat, crew skill and all the other variables involved.
  12. Who the fuck tacks? Put up new, haul down old on the outside, under the new one. if you are close hauled, 3 should be fully inside the lifelines, and give you room to bring the sail down.
  13. No Viper 830's have been measured for ORR AFAIK - but call USS and ask. I did a number of years ago and the answer was no. To get a rating the boat would have to be wanded and a loose estimate would be $3-4K to have it rated.I am sure stability index is going to be fine - BUT - once you load the boat up with 5 crew (min according to SI's) food, gear, liferaft and other safety gear, etc, etc. she will sit a fair bit lower in the water and not sail like she normally does - quite a bit more sluggish. You also have to add taller lifelines since CYC does not want to use normal ORC safety reqs but Rather their own homebrewed one. Ha, I should have just DM you before posting. Sailing on your boat is why I'm asking.
  14. hi, Anyone ever get a Viper 830 (yes the big one they made 12 of) rated in ORR? Specifically anyone know it's stability index? Is it less that 155? Ok the real question is, can a Viper 830 do the Chicago to Mac Race with today's rule, (aka post wingnuts and dissolving of the sport boat section)
  15. A boat that won all races in the late 70s that everyone older than 45 today will swoon over?