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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Alabama Shakes a little older, Sharon Jones and the Dap-Kings personally I have a John Cleary channel on Pandora and am knocked out by it. Depends how you feel about bands like the Meters.
  2. RIP the greatest bass player to ever live

    Edgar Meyer. Great player, great composer. Best recent concert - Edgar Meyer, John Clayton and Mike Marshal, two bass players and a mandolin.l. So musical.
  3. Furling in mast or boom.

    There's a boat docked near mine that has in-mast furling. In even the slightest breeze the furling mast makes a low, annoying moan, much like if you blow across a bottle top. That alone would give me pause to get in-mast furling. Besides sail shape issues, there are livability issues to consider.
  4. I'm installing an electric windlass on a 31' boat and am now trying to figure out where to run the 4/0 tinned battery cables to power it. The power is in the stern, the windlass is in the bow. The most obvious route is to attach the 4/0 cables to the underside of the cabin sole where they would be ~10" over the bottom of the bilge. The bilge is relatively dry and the bilge pumps are all well installed and operative. Water in the boat and the bilge filling is possible but unlikely, in any case the installation I am proposing would have no electrical connections in the bilge. The only time the wires would be live is when the breaker is on to operate the windlass. The alternative is to swiss cheese the cabinets on the starboard side drilling wire pass-through holes through fiberglass and wood installed cabinets and the aft bulkhead as well. I understand the concern about connections in the bilge that might get wet, but is that same concern valid if you run cables without connections above the bilge under the cabin sole?
  5. I was looking at the pictures and started to wonder what the underbody on the boat looks like. In the first picture the underbody looks very shallow and flat. In the second, I'm not sure what I'm seeing. In the yard I get to see all kinds of older commercial hulls and most of them have lots of dead rise and deeper draft. Maybe the whale watching fleet, with the need to cover lots of territory, tend to have more speed oriented, flatter hull shapes. With all the weight high and not much going on below the water what kind of stability would this design have? Not enough would be the obvious answer. What do you think?
  6. Melges 40

    Just to take some very very rough and round numbers - J/70 sold approx 700 boats @ ~ $50,000 each = $35,000,000 worth of boats. Can be sailed by 3, everyone sails the boat, Probably at least another 700 sales potential. M40 ~ 5 boats @ $500,000 each = $2,500,000 worth of boats. Lots of folks required to sail the boat, most of them railmeat. Total sales potential _______? 40's look cool and I'm sure will be fun for the folks that actually sail them. And it can sail in places you'd be stupid or Webb Chiles to sail the J/70. I'm not the market for this kind of boat but there obviously is a market, although how big it is and how many players it can support are big questions. Both the Johnstones and the Melges have proven they're not in in the sailboat business, to reference the old joke, to make a small fortune. While the witty humorists on SA may ask, "what's it rate?", these guys have been at this a while and seem to ask "what's it pay?"
  7. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    One good thing to know about the boat school is that you can take a short term summer class on a number of subjects. It's a great way to treat yourself to a wonderful time - great teachers, great spot, great classes. I took a 10-day class building a Whitehall with Ray Speck who was mentioned earlier in the thread. Although I had been a professional woodworker for many years, Ray opened up a whole new world of woodworking. I still remember the thrill when the absolutely lovely form of the Whitehall came off the strong back. Give yourself a treat, check out summer at the boat school.
  8. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    An earlier version of the boat and rig at the 2011 PT Sailing Association Shipwright's Regatta. Light air race and the funniest thing was that Russel had the boat near the front most of the day until the breeze finally built some. Very cool little boat and none of these pictures show what may be its coolest attribute, when it comes apart and nests. And +1 on how much fun it is to see SLIVER being built.
  9. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    Trevor, thanks. I must be getting old - the memory is the second thing that fails! This latest one looks really cool!! BV Jon, So, she's got a double bottom in the forward half? Also, is the rig from some existing boat? Or is it a one-off? Looks awfully nice! Beau Sorry, I don't know much about the boat, just have a couple of pictures by Craig Wester who was on the RC boat. I can tell you that in a really really light air race, the little boat moves well.
  10. Perry Sliver Class Day Sailor

    Trevor, thanks. I must be getting old - the memory is the second thing that fails! This latest one looks really cool!! BV
  11. Jon, I went to PTSail and can only see the title of your post, I don't see the post? Cheers! Kim

  12. Joke

    A couple of rednecks are out in the woods hunting when one of them suddenly grabs his chest and falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing; his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other redneck whips out his cell phone and calls 911. He gasps to the operator, "I think Bubba is dead! What should I do?" The operator, in a calm soothing voice says, "Just take it easy and follow my instructions. First, let's make sure he's dead." There is a silence..........then a shot is heard. The redneck's voice comes back on the line, "Okay, now what?